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grandpa Love

grandpa Love

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Fellow bought some farmall parts from me
the other day. Saw my Ford 951. After he
got home he sent me a trade offer. His
gas Oliver, runs great, for my favorite
Ford. He also said he would trade this
car instead. Thoughts? This might be
fun! 😆
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I would trade up for that Oliver, in a heartbeat if there isn't a ton of hours on it and is in good mechanical condition. A cab keeps you warm/cool and dry. Does it have AC?
 
We all know you love that Ford but if that Oliver is decent I would trade up forsure. No ac and that cab will be hot during the Alabama summer! Keep that in mind.
 
I would trade for the Oliver too, if it's in good mechanical condition as mentioned. But we know how much you like your Ford and know it's in good condition and looks like new in the pics. I would think about it long and hard before you do something you'd regret since that Ford is your favorite. Or maybe trade him a few Cubs since you seem to have an abundance of them lol.
 
Hey Fold -- That Oliver is not near as handy as Your 901 -- not sure if there is much horse-power difference neither - but if I was You I would have to see if He would sell the car out-right -- that would be a fun project -- that Oliver is the wrong color anyways -- good luck and have fun My Friend --- Roy from northwest Iowa
 
I wouldn’t trade that Ford for a nasty old Oliver! Lol A friend of mine put AC on his John Deere 5020 and it came out well but Heating and Refrigeration was what he went to trade school for.
 
Its your favorite tractor. Will the Oliver or car be your favorite new tractor? That answer would be what I went with.
 
Oliver painted a few 1850 tractors purple. You could do the same with a 1650 but your wife may claim it. (Keep the Ford tractor)

Buy the car outright because it is also a ford and branch out in your collection. Paint it purple also and it would stand out in any crowd.
 
Trade tractors. You will never be sorry. Throw the cab away and buy or build a rollguard and add the canopy. Or just cheap out and add an umbrella for shade. Years ago I had a big umbrella with watermelons on my 2510. It was a gift from a friend that had a shop at the beach. Looked funny but sure was nice to set in the shade when making hay. Tom
 
That cab without air conditioning would be like sitting in your old greenhouse on a hot day.
Keep the Ford.
How many days do yall build fences or bale hay in the rain anyway?
Plus yall are great mechanics on the Fords.
As far as the car, that body style was not their best.
The doors did not fit good and rattled a lot.
Even Ford company knew that was a problem from what I have read.
My cousin was coming home after a date years ago in one of those Fords and stopped on the old wooden bridge on the road just before he got home.
Dropped the manual column shifter in low gear and wanted to see how far up the steep hill he could make it spin.
Dumped the clutch and the driveshaft fell on the bridge.
Richard
 
Nope..... Not for my favorite tractor. If Oliver has no AC it would be way too hot during hay making time. As for as the car, it looks to be a 4 door. Worth a lot less than a 2 door. Just saying. Wingnut
 
Well the Oliver would certainly handle the hay one better. I'm sure the Ford is ok, but once you run it with a heavier tractor with tall tires you wouldn't go back. Don't remember if that Ford has live pto or not, but if not that would be a huge improvement as well. Take the doors and windows out of the cab and drive in the shade, it won't be as bad as you think. Plus being up out of the dust will be huge. Of course getting rid of your favorite might not be worth all that. Can you just buy it?
 
Make the trade. Remove the doors and windows and have a'six post' canopy.But,you won't be married to it. If you dont like it you can sell it. You will find and buy another Ford in short order.
 
On the cab take off the doors,side windows and back glass out which is what I did with my Oliver 1650 ,basically turns it into a canopy.A whole lot cooler than sitting out in the Sun on a Summer day.With the windshield in it still offers some good protection from rain then put everything back on for Winter use if you want.
 
Big thirsty tractor. If you are a hay guy there are pros and cons. I don't trade my favorite tractors. You may not be able to replace it. You can always find another one, but it may have a lot of issues yours does not have. I like Oliver tractors a lot, but I am first and foremost have to ask myself what it can do for me in terms of cost and time savings and generating revenue. There is a reason my favorites are my favorites. IMHO
 
I'm wondering what is so appealing about the Ford to him? Especially since most here seem to think the Oliver is the far better choice. Maybe something about the Oliver he's not being up front about? The car .... not really a collector car by any stretch, looks like it's been sitting in place for some time.
 
If the Oliver is in good working order and he will swap even it would be a decent deal for you. You will burn quite a bit more gas compared to the Ford. As for the car I would want to really look it over underneath. Setting in the grass for a long time it could be really rusted underneath. The thing to keep in mind is that you know what your tractor is, no sense trading off a good one if you get something with expensive issues in return.
 
I would be with Bruce,Bye ford Hello Oliver.Tho the Oliver will empty the fuel tank fast.Can you buy the oliver outright?
 
my moms folks neighbor had one of those olivers but i think it had the fender tanks also. our fuel man told us that in heavy field work the farmer filled that thing twice a day. the fuel man said he was his best customer. this was in the 70s when gas prices started going up i think he bought the neighbors jd 4030 to replace that oliver
 
The Oliver would probably be a fair trade, $3,500 to $,000 tractor, if you have a use for the extra power. If you use the Oliver on the same jobs as the Ford handled, it will be a lot thirstier. It would be a good match for a large round baler.

On the lighter side, add a front end loader or a 3 point hitch snow blower and the Oliver would be perfect for tackling 5 foot high snow drifts, LOL.
 
We have a few 4 digit Oliver’s. 1650 gas, 1750 diesel, and 1755 diesel. Not sure if that 1850 has the 2 speed hydra power drive or the 3 speed over under hydraul shift. Both are almost a bullet proof unit. That is a very big bonus to be able to slow down or speed up when haying or doing tillage work. The pto is also a bonus. If your considering the Oliver see if the pto stops when disengaged. If not it probably has an issue with the pto clutch discs. The Oliver’s are a good tractor, and not difficult to work on. The cab will be hot in your part of the country. The Oliver is twice the power and weight of your Ford and will probably use twice the gas if your Ford. The bigger tractor would allow you to possibly make round bales if and when your boys may not be around to help because their tied up with their own things. Sure would be hard to get rid of my favorite tractor though. Lots to consider !
 
First thing I’d recommend is ask the guy if he will sell straight out. Compare that with what you’d get for your ford selling it straight out. Then trade or buy/sell as the math works out. He might trade and give you some cash on top of the ford.

The Achilles heal on the Oliver IMHO is the gas engine. I had a gas IH 756 and what a gas drinker - unreal. My MF 1105 diesel under twice the load burns a fraction of the fuel. Not a show stopper, but something to consider. The the gas engine in the Oliver has to be much better than the POS C291 in my IH. However, the price between a good shape gas tractor and a beaten and wore out diesel can buy a lot of gas.

Another is trailering. There’s a big difference in the connivence of trailering a ford or small MF on a car hauler and towing with a half ton truck. If you have the truck and trailer that can handle the Oliver - no problem.

AC - for now, I’d take the doors and windows off and use the tractor as an open station canopy tractor. However, you might be able to put on a used RV air conditioner or some other DC powered unit - all in one for the cab and have that cool air when it’s hottest outside. We really enjoy the AC on our cabbed 1105 MF in the heat. Perhaps you can make another trade for AC.

The two speed hydra-power unit, if it has it would make a great hay tractor. We use the 2 speed multipower in our MF all the time haying.

Bottom line - if you can navigate the above, I’d trade or buy outright.

Good luck!
Bill
 
What are you afraid of, I have spent the last twenty summers here in Colorado working at custom baling. Case tractors with cab, no air conditioning that stays working, sometimes it has been a hundred and fourteen degrees in the cab.
 
If you need a 90 hp. tractor, the 1850 is a good one. (if you can stand the gas consumption of a 90 hp gas engine). I would want to know how many hours on the engine. I'd buy the 1850 outright and keep your Ford. Those blowers in those cabs did a decent job moving air on hot or cold days. Not like an air conditioner, of course, but not that bad either. As said below the hydro-power units are very reliable, and simple to work on when they do need to be repaired.
 
I have 2 1850 diesels, they ae my favorites. How are the tires, I can't see that well in the pictures, it they are about done, they are expensive. On that cab you can take the doors and windows off and it makes a nice sunshade, that's what I do with mine. You are looking at twice the tractor of the Ford, it will pull things that your Ford won't even think about trying to pull. Yes, it likes gas, but for non full time use, it shouldn't be that bad. I think you will like it on a baler and it's heavy enough that if you decide to pull a wagon behind the baler, it will handle it easy. Warning, they will coast in under drive, leave it in direct going downhill. I'd say look it over good and drive it, they are a nice tractor. that's my 2 cents worth. Chris
 
Bad trade for the Oliver. Maybe the car. My son is a old Oliver collector. He ask me a while back why didn't Oliver sell better. I said take your 4010 Diesel JD and head for California disking. Along side a 1800 Diesel disking. And I would bet the 4010 would make it. And the Oliver break down. What tractors are the highest priced yet sell the most.
 
I wouldn't have any implements large enough to use on the Oliver. Would have to spend more money for that. I like the Ford Tractor and I'm not a Fordman.
 
Keep the Ford, it is much better suited to the scale of your operation. Oliver is good tractor but not nearly as handy as your Ford. If you are looking for an Oliver, my first choice would be a 1655. Don't walk away from the car, run. Big money pit that is not worth much restored.
 
For all practical purposes for him very little difference between running a 1850 and a 1655.Plus no one in even close to their right mind would trade a
1655 for the Ford.
 
You may find that a 90 HP tractor can give you more up-time and output on a small square baler compared to a 50 HP tractor. You can rake heavier windrows to match the full capacity of the baler without worrying about the capacity of baler tractor. A JD 4020 or Case 930 on a Deere 336 baler would power through some tough spots at full speed where a smaller 50 HP tractor would need to down shift or the shear pin would break. This also makes a difference when baling uphill pulling a nearly full bale wagon on a heavy windrow. The downside is that people handling the bales have to handle more bales per hour.

Fuel cost of the larger tractor depends on the number of hours used annually. The extra fuel cost is much smaller if the tractors is only used 50 to 100 hours a year compared to over 500 hours per year. Do you have other tractors to handle the lighter chores like raking and mowing? Does the larger tractor have a faster road gear for hauling bale wagons on roads?
 
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