Stellantis????????

Bob Bancroft · Jan 16, 2021

I don't know if I spelled that correctly. It's the result of the merger of the Fiat and Peugeot automotive groups. Everything is a "group" now, comprising several brands.
This makes me wonder, again, how long CNHi will produce both red and blue tractors, and how ever many other colors they make?

Farmer Rock · Jan 16, 2021

I wonder the same thing, but if they have any sense, they will continue making CNH tractors, because they have good customers. If they stopped making them, they will loose all those customers.

Rock

NY 986 · Jan 16, 2021

I don't think that Case tractors made in Racine, WI are going away. Also, they will keep pushing blue tractors down that same assembly line.

NY 986 · Jan 16, 2021

I think that blue and red tractors will keep being made as long as the generation that made a fuss over buying one over the other is still around even though the differences in the products are getting to be less and less. What I think will change is the number of dealers getting to be fewer as the overlap in product lines get to be greater. We both live in the same marketing territory in terms of the red tractor dealer and blue tractor dealer. I've been told time and again when it comes to the manufacturer the red dealer gets what it wants. This happened before the IH merger and during the merger. I think the blue dealer has a bullseye on its back.

jm. · Jan 16, 2021

They know they are in a trap but sure want to divest one of the two. They have a strong customer base for the blue line in the North East from the hold over days of New Holland and just smaller farms. Good parts business. But then they have the red line in the midwest that has some strong combine dealers. Just no easy way to combine the two. They have been farming out the under 35 hp units to be made by outside sources for years. Before Kubota made the connection for their larger tractors there was talk but neither line really fit with Kubota. Having two diffrent sales forces and distribution channels gets expensive . Who know what the feature brings .

NY 986 · Jan 16, 2021

Case was always a clear number 1 to Ford and later NH in the NE. Blue was always behind JD, IH, JI Case, and later Case IH here and I would argue that Allis Chalmers and White did better than blue when they were around. Small dairies are just about gone in the NE which was NH's original strength. I don't believe that NH even makes a pull type chopper anymore and they have long since stopped making forage wagons and forage blowers. NH has not made a grinder mixer for a long time either. NH has adapted to the market somewhat as they now have large discbines and large square balers but they are far from being preeminent in the hay and forage fields. The regional Case dealer here is exceptionally strong and does not turn down opportunities to grow. At times they were extremely aggressive with in brand competition.

Bruce from Can. · Jan 16, 2021

There is only so much market. And as I see it, that market is divided into 3 different categories, with slight overlap. Large row crop/cereal crop farmers in the west have little need for a tractor less than 200 hp these days, unless it’s a yard tractor than maybe a 150hp tractor could fit in. The midsize tractor market is the livestock farmer, a 200hp tractor to do some tillage, pull manure tanker or run forage harvester, but most will want a 100-150 hp 4wd tractor for making and feeding forage. Smaller tractors just can’t handle the heavy loads of hay and handle big TMR mixers. The smaller jobs on livestock farms are now filled by telahandlers and skid steers. Which leaves the 100hp and less firmly in the group of part time hobby farms. This group has generally got the cash to buy new equipment from $$ erased from of farm jobs. And is a market no manufacturing company wants to dismiss. Although I don’t feel dealerships give this group the attention they deserve, and would rather sell to the BTO. It would not surprise me if the blue tractors started to come only in the 100hp and less models and the red in over 100hp size group.

NY 986 · Jan 16, 2021

Good observations but I don't see NH reformed into a brand for suburbanites exclusively. Decades ago there were Ford and later NH dealers in the suburbs of Buffalo, Rochester, and Syracuse but they have gone away. Even buying Kubota means a drive out into the country here. The bottom line is you are not going to see anymore brick and mortar dealerships built so manufacturers are already expecting customers to drive to existing locations. They already made customers jump through the hoop of no more Ford name on a tractor so I would expect that that CNH will expect their customers to buy a red Case if that is their decision.

timcasbolt · Jan 16, 2021

(quoted from post at 09:26:36 01/16/21) I wonder the same thing, but if they have any sense, they will continue making CNH tractors, because they have good customers. If they stopped making them, they will loose all those customers.

Rock

ust how loose are we talking here? Could they maybe tighten them up a little?

DeltaSteve · Jan 16, 2021

Our local "blue" dealer got the axe last year. No warning,just out of the 'blue'.Yanked the NewHolland hay line too.They just jumped into Kubota and are selling them like gangbusters.

J Hamilton · Jan 16, 2021

My local New Holland dealer had the same thing happen a few years ago. They said it was because they weren't selling enough of the higher horsepower blue tractors. They also took hay equipment away too, they are now selling Vermeer hay equipment and Kubota. Although they can still get OEM CNH parts

MARK ROBKE · Jan 16, 2021

That also happened here-the New Holland dealer dropped New Holland and became Kubota. But the reason I heard was warranty repairs on New Holland tractors: they had too many problems. The Kubotas: almost none. Mark.

BarnyardEngineering · Jan 16, 2021

Agco has had no trouble pumping out tractors of several different colors for decades, with no signs of stopping. I don't know why CNH would fret over two colors.

old · Jan 16, 2021

I wonder how that may effect Chrysler since there owned by Fiat

JMOR · Jan 16, 2021

new pickup:

previously,

and before that, Dodge
:lol:

Sekelbos · Jan 17, 2021

I believe Stellantis will continue with both lines. In South Africa CNHI bought the local Case IH and Case Construction agencies last week. They were handled by different companies.It is a clear indication that the industrial part of their activities are important to them. The Stellantis car brands, combined, has less than 2% of the car/truck market.The CNHI tractors are number two here, JD the market leader.

SVcummins · Jan 17, 2021

Do they make anything besides an red and silver and yellow
and black one ? Haven’t seen an orange one in about 20
years in the USA anyway . I guess they make puke green and
red too

SVcummins · Jan 17, 2021

Or silver

SVcummins · Jan 17, 2021

Gee poor tenneco case ih fiat Industrial cnh has been pawned off and merged so many nobody’s knows who the real daddy is anymore and maybe the real daddy won’t claim it either 😂😂

SVcummins · Jan 17, 2021

Funny I put as many hours on a tractor a year as anyone and I have no problem getting the job done

pete 23 · Jan 18, 2021

That is true SV, but you have to remember IH was made up of a whole lot more companies than that when they formed in early 1900s.

John Deere has absorbed a few along the way, even the Waterloo Boy, but as they were the buyer and not the seller , they kept their own name.

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