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rusty6

rusty6

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No, I haven't retired the old Super 90 Massey for winter use but I have the snow blower on the 2140. So when I need to put a bale of hay out for the cattle, if there is any need to move snow, I'll use the 2140 to do both jobs on the same day. Its not as handy to pick up the bale without the spear but I'm getting pretty good with the chain and cable winch to secure the bale in the bucket. Got a little drone video of blowing snow too. I mainly did the video to demonstrate what seems to me the easiest steering tractor ever made. Even with a bale in the bucket it is one finger steering.
Easy Steering 2140
 
I agree they give real meaning to finger touch steering even with a lot of weight on the front
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Rusty I like that tractor a little more every time I see it . I’ve found that most of the Social media site experts are keyboard warriors and the only tractors they’ve ever had any real experience with are the scale model kind I had 40 series utility tractor put lots of hours on it hated the steering problem was it only 1/16 scale and the loader hydraulics were really crude as well 😂
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SV
JD utility tractors such as Rusty's 2140 can have very good power assist steering & hyd's if the CORRECT hyd oil has been properly maintained BUT can be very bad if hyd system is neglected. I agree neglecting maintenance on anything is not good for machine longevity.

IMHO closed center hyd's require better diagnostics than open center hyd's to determine cause when any problems do arise. Some internal hyd leaks on CC system can be very difficult to diagnose.
 
By the position of the steering wheel, I'd say you got the rare manual steering model. Hydraulics? What hydraulics? You really got ripped off on that one. Tractor and loader look pretty good otherwise.
 
(quoted from post at 05:48:32 01/02/21) By the position of the steering wheel, I'd say you got the rare manual steering model. Hydraulics? What hydraulics? You really got ripped off on that one. Tractor and loader look pretty good otherwise.
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I'm guessing that is sarcasm there Bob. I've got several true manual steering tractors. You know, the kind you need to be standing up using both arms and both legs to put enough muscle into the steering wheel to turn those front wheels. Theres no way this is manual steering on the 2140. I'll admit the hydraulics won't lift as much as my old Massey Super 90 but I suspect that is more due to the small size of the cylinders on the front end loader.
 
Hydraulic strength of the loader in my
understanding is more based on the gpm of the
hydraulic pump, not the size of the hydraulic
cylinders.
I have a question. Does this JD tractor have one
hydraulic pump with a priority valve for the
steering? Or one pump for power steering and
another pump for the hydraulic loader/remotes/3pth
? And what capacity would the hydraulic flow be ?
 
(quoted from post at 08:17:40 01/02/21) Hydraulic strength of the loader in my
understanding is more based on the gpm of the
hydraulic pump, not the size of the hydraulic
cylinders.
I have a question. Does this JD tractor have one
hydraulic pump with a priority valve for the
steering? Or one pump for power steering and
another pump for the hydraulic loader/remotes/3pth
? And what capacity would the hydraulic flow be ?
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I've always heard, and believed, that big hyd cylinder will lift more than a small one. Slower but stronger. The manual lists this 2140 as 2760 psi hydraulic system. I don't know about the steering if it has a separate pump or not without going into the technical manual. Maybe before I get to do that somebody else will know it without having to look it up.
 

Bruce
My understanding is cylinder diameter & pressure control FEL lift capacity along with sometimes FEL geometry. Pump GPM affects speed of FEL operation. My Kubota FEL has 2 different boom cylinder pin locations. 1 location give more lifting capacity & other setting gives more boom height

2140 has 2 hyd pumps. Trans pump lubricates trans & supplies oil for IPPTO & hyd hi-lo then sends excess output to frt pump. Frt pump supplies all high pressure hyd functions Yes power steering has a priority valve.. Pressure shown on Tractordata site is more than I'm accustomed to seeing on a 40 series JD tractor. I don't understand the 2 different GPM's listed

I wonder if Rusty6 has ever checked his 2140 standby pressure??

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Thanks for the insight. Now I am going to have to
go and look at my owners manual for my Kubota
loader, and see which whole my loader hydraulic
cylinder pins are in. I don’t need the extra height,
but break away power when loading silage from the
bunker , or loading manure could always stand to
be better.
 
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I wonder if Rusty6 has ever checked his 2140 standby pressure??
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We did check the pressure back when i first got the tractor but I can't remember the figures. It must have been well within satisfactory range as my brother did the test with his own gauges. I don't always agree with tractor data site figures as I've found mistakes there . I see several figures for my 2140 depending if it is tested at 170 bar or 190 bar. My manual states Canada only: 155 bar and 2250 psi. So theres some more information.
In a real world comparison I've seen the old Massey lift more than the John Deere. Even though the John Deere is newer and I'm sure a higher output pump. Driving the bucket into a pile of rotting manure and try to lift it. The Massey never failed that test. Sometimes the John Deere did. Its the bigger cylinders on the massey loader I'm sure.
 
Before I got a quick attach bucket that can switch from bucket to forks in seconds, I added a pipe to the top of my bucket that I could slip a spear into for moving bales. The pipe was welded to the 45 degree angle behind the top edge of the bucket so the bucket was partially tipped down to pick up a bale. That way the bottom of the bucket engaged the bottom of the bale as the spear was fully inserted and kept the bale stable during transport. A collar was welded to the spear to limit how far it would slide into the pipe and a pin behind the pipe to hold it in place. A farmer fix that worked pretty slick.
 
I have a 2020, and the Power steering is very very good and much easier to turn than the 4020. Not saying the 4020 is bad, but it is not as easy.

The 2130 and then the 2140 have a taller platform that is very nice. Climbing on is not more difficult because
it is easier to cross the center of the platform. Strangely, this was not fitted on US model, like the more powerful 2630 or 2640. The taller platform only came with the 2750. Utility tractors Usa product manager of the 1970s was likely incompetent and did not see the need to see in front of your loader...
 
PSI Gives power but larger cylinder diameter gives more lift capability but will operate slower.
Dave
 
Yes, I'm aware of that. That's why when I self-engineered my 3-point wood splitter I went with a smaller dia (3.5) cylinder, My tractor has plenty of psi but not a lot of gpm. It turned out great!
 
(quoted from post at 15:46:28 01/02/21) I have a 2020, and the Power steering is very very good and much easier to turn than the 4020. Not saying the 4020 is bad, but it is not as easy.

The 2130 and then the 2140 have a taller platform that is very nice. Climbing on is not more difficult because
it is easier to cross the center of the platform. Strangely, this was not fitted on US model, like the more powerful 2630 or 2640. The taller platform only came with the 2750. Utility tractors Usa product manager of the 1970s was likely incompetent and did not see the need to see in front of your loader...
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I fail to see how a ""power assisted steering"" such as most JD 20-55 utility tractors can steer easier than full hydraulic steering such as JD rowcrop tractors like a 4020. Mount a 5 row frt mounted bedder on a JD utility tractor such as 4020 utilized back in the 1970's & that will show you the difference in types of power steering.

I'm not stating JD utility tractors power steering isn't good I'm just stating not in the same class with Waterloo built tractors.

Please explain the higher platform you're referring to. Are you referring footrest & seat support.

I checked parts on seat support(AL31515) & this part # fit several tractors(63 models) including 2130/2140 plus older models down to a 1020. Partial list of models is below.

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I agree with you that it make no sense that the utility power steering is easier to turn, but it is. Maybe the springs inside are weaker. The waterloo Tractors can Aldo have a delay or a dampening action in them whenever the utilities do not have this.

Yes I am talking about the footrest and seat support. The 2130-2140-2750 have a taller footrest, the seat is mounted on a cast spacer/riser, the steering wheel has a huge offset to accommodate that (same steering wheel as the 2840), the throttle lever and the Hilo lever are bent to accommodate extra height, the throttle pedal is specific, and the brakes pedal are mounted on a cast bracket.
I know this pretty well because I modified my 2020 this year using parts from a junked 2130. Much nicer tractor after that.
 
(quoted from post at 15:53:01 01/02/21)
(quoted from post at 15:46:28 01/02/21) I have a 2020, and the Power steering is very very good and much easier to turn than the 4020. Not saying the 4020 is bad, but it is not as easy.
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You know the old saying, "seeing is believing". If you watched the video and saw me spinning that steering wheel with one finger at idle speed, or driving through deep snow with a bale on the front end loader and the steering was still effortless, well theres the proof. I found this tractor via a friend who has driven John Deere tractors all his working life from 3020s to four wheel drives and the first thing he told me was you've got to see how easy this thing steers. Better than the bigger tractors that he had been driving for years.
As far as the platform, its not as handy as the Massey for getting on and off. My big size 13s tend to catch the two shift levers every time I'm getting on and off. But once I"m on its a great ride with excellent visibility.
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Your 4020 must have a bad steering motor because even with
3000 pounds on I can steer my 4020 or 3020 with no effort at
all
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Well SVThomas, please try a 2020 to 2140 with PS.

I know that you can turn the steering wheel with one finger on 4020.
On utilities you can grab the steering wheel, give it a whirl, and it will continue to spin...
 
Why do you need to spin the steering out of control are you
cutting cookies? My steering wheels will spin to if I spin them
not sure the point though are you in a tractor Demo derby
 

fdt860
I now understand what you're referring to about differences in operator height utilizing a seat mounted on cast spacer & deeper dished steering wheel. I never realized the footrest are higher. BUT there's very few 2130/2140 that were in my area because of when being built they were built for European not N American sales.

Higher operator area on a 2840 I now recognize & that's about the best attribute that one can give a 2840 because IMHO 2840 was not one of JD engineers most shinning movements.

I still think if one puts the same weight heavy load on frt axle of a 2140 vs 4020 then the 4020 power steering will steer easier than JD's utility tractor power assisted steering!!
 
I still think if one puts the same weight heavy load on frt axle of a 2140 vs 4020 then the 4020 power steering will steer easier than JD's utility tractor power assisted steering!!
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I totally agree. Regardless, an utility Deere ps is a master piece of engineering that a Deere connaisseur has to try at least once in his life.

friend got a 4020 with a 280 loader with pump turned up to 2700 psi. An utility would have been broken in two with them 4x big square bales
 
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