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Abe formerly the worlds best dog

jon f mn

jon f mn

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Spent the weekend cutting some hay and going to parties and
a funeral, Abe must have taken a dislike to me being gone
because he killed a pig. Have to say I'm not happy about that.
Had to be the best one of the bunch too. He's firmly on the
"list" now.

Got 25 acres of nice grass hay cut this weekend tho


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Not if it gets dry before the rain comes it will be great. Supposed to rain on Saturday. Problem is hay don't dry fast this time of year here.
 
Boy, that's no good! Hope Abe can redeem himself. My dog is anything but a killer.... & he's a pit bull to boot! So far, he's had his butt kicked by two mice, can't catch a chipmunk, thought he could chase a squirrel onto the roof of the shed by climbing up the fence.... & can't get back down, has tried to befriend a skunk on several occasions, made friends with the ****** woodchuck & has taken to racing deer (no not Deere). I couldn't make this dog mean if I lit his tail on fire & I doubt he could catch a cold.

*sigh*

Mike
 
First your wife's stuff got damaged (can not remember what it was) now a pig gets killed.
A load of buck shot will fix this dog problem you have.

I can remember my dad telling stories about people he knew that would have a litter of 8 farm working pups and only the best 3 or 4 made it to a year old. But today most consider a dog a family member so we allow rejects to live.
 
Looks like nice hay at least what I can see of it in the pictures. On a work trip in Iowa Friday I saw an old Case combine setting by a shed on a farmer’s place in northern IA, thought of you. To bad about the pig how many pounds was it? Not much more than a piglet I presume. They all are worth nearly the same money when they are fattened up.
 
It'd take you a while to find someone that likes dogs more than I do, but that dog would be GONE if he lived here. And I don't mean re-homed.
 
Do you have access to a tedder? A rotary tedder would do wonders to helping you get hay dry. Even a bar type tedder would help. Lots of hay made here last week. Tom
 
That's too bad about the pig,but to those below who say they are dog lovers and know how to train them,but would shoot there own dog because they're upset with it,they simply don't have any faith in their dog.It really bothers me when guys say,they would kill their dog.If the dog attacts people it's a different story,but most dogs are bred to hunt and kill small animals.Good dogs don't come often in life,they are a blessing,so just because he needs a little discipline in knowing what animals not to kill,don't give up on him like others want you to.it's your dog,he depends on you.

Rock
 
Jon F, This comment is not only to Jon F but to all the other people who replied that they would kill a dog for actually doing what dogs do naturally. Yes, there was a time when puppies and kittens were drowned because they did not know about spaying and neutering animals. For those of you that think your action was justified, then I have a comment for all of you. And I am thankful for the people who stood up for the dog. I worked with combat veterans and learned a lot about why this country is great. One reason is that to a man or woman, all of the veterans were shocked by the cheapness of life exhibited in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. They saw animals shot and people shot because they might just be in the way. One thing this country has been most known for is the fact that we as a people really don't like bullies who think nothing of harming animals, old folks, mentally disabled and others who may not have a voice. In other words, instead of killing your dog, you had other options like taking the dog to the animal shelter or finding another home for the dog. You are also responsible for training your animal but apparently going to parties is more important, not to mention all those pretty pics you posted. And in case you don't know, animals can and should be neutered. Sometimes ignorance is a problem and sometimes it's a bad temper. I think you are the danger because you can't control your own temper! Makes me wonder about other animals on your farm and treatment they get?
 
RetiredDoc
So let me ask you a serious question.

You have a cow that does not produce a calf every year; or a 2 teat milk cow; or a horse with a broken leg; or a chicken that lays 1 egg every 2 weeks. What do you do. Most would cull them from the herd and send them to the butcher to be KILLED.

So if you would cull (kill) one of these animals why is it wrong to cull (kill) a dog that is not up to standards.
That is unless you consider a dog human.
 
John in LA, coming from generations of farmers and ranchers, I will respond seriously to your question. If I had a two teat cow that could throw good calves, two teats are enough to feed a calf. If the cow had some sort of genetic problem that would be passed on to the herd if she's bred, then obviously culling is your only choice since you don't want that trait to be carried on. You don't want to weaken your herd if there is a genetic component that ultimately will destroy your herd. If an animal is suffering, like the horse with the broken leg and we know a horse can't live with only three legs then unfortunately the horse should be destroyed. No one who tries to make their living on a farm can keep animals if they are not able to do their job which is to raise healthy calves because losing cattle costs money. As far as the chickens, they lay eggs according to seasonal variables so sometimes production goes low, then rebounds. Are you feeding them right, do they have lice/worm overload that can be treated or is it your whole flock? The point is that sometimes the reality of farming is not pretty, since you can't afford to feed non-producing animals. What is the problem with what Jon did? He killed a dog that was healthy when he had other options. If you are a farmer and enjoy or brag about killing, "Abe formally the worlds best dog" then there is a problem with that farmer. And I don't think that losing a dog is the same as losing a child as some people think because they don't really know the hard work that it takes to raise those pretty packages of meat.
 
John in La-Not really,if you think the dog you have is incapable of a certain job,the humane thing to do is give it away to somebody who will take good care of it.I would hate to think what happens when your relatives come to visit.i guess if they can't be put to work you would shoot them too.I am sorry but that mentality is completely wrong.

Rock
 
I think you said someone gave you the dog - most likely the humane for them to do is pass the problem to someone else. Wild animals kill for food, not for fun. When a well fed domestic dog kills it's for fun and there's nothing more dangerous than a roaming pack of domestic dogs as they don't fear humans. Once a dog starts killing you will not train or change it. It can't be trusted. My friend's german shepherd bit a person when he was away from the farm and after his Insurance paid the claim, that was the end of the insurance. If your Insurance company gets wind of what happened you may find they will not be likely to renew your policy.

So, if you want to keep it, so be it. Just hope it doesn't do to a human what it did to the pig. If you want to do "the humane thing", give it away and I'm sure after you tell how it killed your best pig and tore up some household items you'll have folks lined up wanting to take it. Might even have to do interviews to be sure it gets a good home.
 
give him one more chance to learn. Use remains of pig to beat Abe until he can only walk with severe limp or tie him with nose on remains & beat with length of hose, to same end result. He will likely avoid both pigs and hoses thereafter.
 
Fordy 40. I agree with you that packs of dogs are very dangerous and I had a pack of dogs run my cattle so I had to take care of the dogs because when you're dealing with dog packs they do kill for fun. And the dog pack is the result most times from people who dump their unwanted animals in the country. As I'm sure you know, dog packs are more dangerous than wolves and coyotes are opportunistic killers. Another problem is that they can spread rabies because most likely they have never had shots. However, I think that I have a great responsibility to my neighbors to keep my dogs contained so they don't go hunting for "fun" things to kill or run. I want my dogs on my property only and I don't want my neighbor's dogs on my property. Most of the problem is over-population because people don't spay and neuter animals and then dump unwanted animals in the country. There are many places that actually give their services to spay, neuter and give shots and it is free during certain times. I understand that vets are expensive, but the problem starts with people who let their animals breed indiscriminately which shows a disregard for the animal. I would not own a viscous dog because that is a sure way to get sued if the dog bites someone and if you want a dog, go to the shelter because there are too many good dogs that will be killed. Pick a dog that isn't viscous.. If you know anything about dogs that propensity to attack is not likely to trained out of a dog, I don't care what the Dog Whisper says on that subject!
 
I read all the posts and nowhere is it said that jonf killed the dog. Maybe you should read through them again too. None of the posts that mentioned shooting the dog were from jonf.
 
That is part of farm life making hard decisions with animals,any livestock farmer sends cull animals that are a liability to their death all the time by way of the slaughterhouse.No different with a farm dog that becomes a liability and a walking lawsuit waiting to happen it needs to go,unfortunately dogs don't have a commercial value as food here like some of the Asian countries.Might be the start of an all new export market to China.
 
TF-that is just sick.as if all this talk wasn't bad enough you want to sell your dog for meat to China.I do understand that if you only have a dog for work,like most of us do,and you can only afford that dog to do its job,but if it is not doing it's job,give to someone who will take care of it.I just find it so disgusting how some guys are just bragging about shooting their dog.nobody should actually want to kill their dog.And like I said earlier,if it's a viscous dog,unfortunately that can only be handled by putting it down. But you still shouldn't enjoy it or brag about it.there is just no excuse for that let alone exporting your dog to China for meat.If you don't want your perfectly good dog,send him to me,I will take care of him that goes for everyone.

Rock
 
(quoted from post at 09:08:31 09/21/20) John in LA, coming from generations of farmers and ranchers, I will respond seriously to your question. If I had a two teat cow that could throw good calves, two teats are enough to feed a calf. If the cow had some sort of genetic problem that would be passed on to the herd if she's bred, then obviously culling is your only choice since you don't want that trait to be carried on. You don't want to weaken your herd if there is a genetic component that ultimately will destroy your herd. If an animal is suffering, like the horse with the broken leg and we know a horse can't live with only three legs then unfortunately the horse should be destroyed. No one who tries to make their living on a farm can keep animals if they are not able to do their job which is to raise healthy calves because losing cattle costs money. As far as the chickens, they lay eggs according to seasonal variables so sometimes production goes low, then rebounds. Are you feeding them right, do they have lice/worm overload that can be treated or is it your whole flock? The point is that sometimes the reality of farming is not pretty, since you can't afford to feed non-producing animals. What is the problem with what Jon did? He killed a dog that was healthy when he had other options. If you are a farmer and enjoy or brag about killing, "Abe formally the worlds best dog" then there is a problem with that farmer. And I don't think that losing a dog is the same as losing a child as some people think because they don't really know the hard work that it takes to raise those pretty packages of meat.
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jon didn't kill his dog. read it again. Abe is "on the list" the poop list.
 
Welp... that'll be the end of this one! Seems like that's what's wrong with our world these days: no one pays attention to what they're reading. I love animals too, but I live in the real world. Sometimes problems have to be solved. But solving the problem should [i:98d511363f]never[/i:98d511363f] include passing your issues on to someone else. Regardless, no where in his post did JonF mention he was gonna shoot his dog. And if he did (or does) so be it; it's not your place or mine to judge his actions. Pity we don't see our fellow man in the same light some see animals.

Mac
 
I'm not bragging and certainly don't enjoy it but its a job that needs to be done sometimes.So what is wrong with not wasting the meat of an animal? Like horses so stupid they can't be slaughtered and sold to countries where they eat horse meat.How about cats you want some of them too?
 
(quoted from post at 23:47:10 09/21/20) Their really is an expert for everything isn t there
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And they come to YT, create a user name in order to post on this thread.
I bet it is an already registered poster that does not want to use their regular user name.

P.S.
Most dogs have been bred to not be killers. Only in the past 50 years or so have the mean dogs been allowed to live.
And stuck for life on the end of a chain or passed on to the next sucker to deal with the problem.
Go visit any animal shelter and the majority of inmates are some sort of pitbull. What does a no-kill shelter do when it is plum full of unwanted dogs? They refuse all new comers to become abandoned, tossed out of the car along a dark road, or worse.
A no-kill shelter sounds good until filled up. Then it does no good as the mentally bad are perpetuated into the world.
 
(quoted from post at 11:03:12 09/22/20) I'm not bragging and certainly don't enjoy it but its a job that needs to be done sometimes.So what is wrong with not wasting the meat of an animal? Like horses so stupid they can't be slaughtered and sold to countries where they eat horse meat.How about cats you want some of them too?
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I agree, totally assanine to bury or send a broken leg horse to the rendering plant.
 
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