I was mowing a few days ago, and noticed a couple camp sights. They were not visible until I got to the end of the field, and looked over the bank. One had a good size tent. They didn't seam to be hurting anybody. The owner called the police. They showed up. I saw a girl putting everything she owned in a plastic bag, and started off across the field. Don't have any idea where she went. Next guy had everything under his arm, and his two dogs leaving the same way. Another guy had his camp further up the ravine, where he wasn't visible. He may still be there. I kind of felt sorry for them. We all start out some what the same in life, some make some don't. I would have probably just let them be. Stan
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We drove out to the local State Park and did some early morning biking. This was when the Nebraska State Parks were still closed down for camping. There was a young man from one county over according to his license plate and he had set up a Hammack type tent between 2 trees. It was kind of neat because it reminded me of a cocoon and the top zipped up. Anyway, we saw the park ranger come by and wake him up and chase him out of the park. I felt that he wasn't bothering anyone and he was really social distancing what with being in that cocoon. But I guess that rules are rules.
Janicholson
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I would have assessed the situatioon a little befor chucking them off the land. Reality is harsh right now, real freeloaders are both a hazzard, and liability. Needy people with externally created displacement ire not. Tough decision. Getting comfortable actually talking to them is difficult. A peace officer/deputy, or other official walking up to them might be called for. Jim
Steve@Advance
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It is a heart wrenching decision, but letting homeless people camp on your property is asking for trouble.
Word gets out and it gets out of hand, then the piles of trash, criminal activity...
Not sure what the rules are everywhere, but here the property owner can be ticketed for allowing it.
Sad thing is, with the high unemployment, there is going to be a lot of people finding themselves in that situation that have never before, or ever imagined they would end up homeless. Once it happens it's really difficult to ever get back on track. Employers are reluctant to hire when you can't provide an address. Landlords look very closely at credit reports, past references, criminal backgrounds.
Another thing contributing, so many agencies that were assisting the homeless and troubled have been forced to shut down. Churches, food pantries, volunteer groups, shelters, AA and NA groups all shut down. So many that were hanging by a thread have surely taken a turn for the worse.
Separations, divorces, domestic violence, child abuse, all up due to the stress of "shelter in place".
This is not going to end well. All so a few power hungry people can make their point.
Word gets out and it gets out of hand, then the piles of trash, criminal activity...
Not sure what the rules are everywhere, but here the property owner can be ticketed for allowing it.
Sad thing is, with the high unemployment, there is going to be a lot of people finding themselves in that situation that have never before, or ever imagined they would end up homeless. Once it happens it's really difficult to ever get back on track. Employers are reluctant to hire when you can't provide an address. Landlords look very closely at credit reports, past references, criminal backgrounds.
Another thing contributing, so many agencies that were assisting the homeless and troubled have been forced to shut down. Churches, food pantries, volunteer groups, shelters, AA and NA groups all shut down. So many that were hanging by a thread have surely taken a turn for the worse.
Separations, divorces, domestic violence, child abuse, all up due to the stress of "shelter in place".
This is not going to end well. All so a few power hungry people can make their point.
Olliejunkie
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I have tried helping people in the past and got taken advantage of but I will probably do it again.
Traditional Farmer
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The landowner could end up having all sorts of problems by letting them stay on their property,giving people an inch almost always results in them trying to take a mile or more.Plus there is no way to judge a person's intentions by looking at them,the best con artists always seem like really nice people.
caterpillar guy
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In some places like in MI if they stay for so long they can own the property they claim around them ,may be only an acre but in the middle of a field that would suck. Throw them off.
showcrop
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I have been hearing over the last twenty years that a significant proportion of the homeless are sick with mental illness. Most states used to keep them in institutions for their own protection, but laws changed making it mandatory that they be "mainstreamed" into society. It worked for some but not others.
RobCons
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- Central Alabama
I've run up on the same thing cutting for people. I report them to land owner. Sometimes they are aware of it, a neighbors kid hunting, other times the police get involved. To many likely problems if they stay.
grandpa Love
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Steve. Well said.
I owned farms for nearly 45 years and in such a situation I wouldn't risk approaching the people directly (no idea of their status or intent or mental or physical health) but simply notify the sheriff and let trained professionals deal with it. I'm NOT saying if they would or would not do anything about it, I'm just saying I would at least report it for the record. To each their own method of dealing with trespass on their property, this was mine, yall do as you well please.
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James Howell
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Trespassing.
John in Mich
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Taking by adverse possession is not a short term action. There are various forms of property access and use that an owner must pay attention to. I have personally been involved in a property boundry problem and since then have always maintained visibility of my boundry monuments along with the engineering documents in a secure file.
BTW, my situation was a faulty boundry that existed for over 40 years. I won.
BTW, my situation was a faulty boundry that existed for over 40 years. I won.
Vicinalvictor
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No doubt you feel sorry for these people with no place to go, but it's also a health & safety issue if these people are allowed to stay.
Recently I have come across two hunting stands. I have not allowed these individuals to hunt in fact only who one is. I try to limit the number of hunters to keep the pressure down and the game up. One stand I placed a lot on it to say "come talk to me" and a neighbor showed up was nasty and claimed his father was running a survey. Well he did and, as I knew he would, found the stand was on me--no talk.
After reading this think I will let the sheriff or game warden deal with them.
After reading this think I will let the sheriff or game warden deal with them.
Stephen Newell
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I know if I was in that position my wife would make me run them off. Last year someone came close to our house just chasing a lost cow. I've been under pressure ever since to put up a 6' fence with razor wire around the top ever since.
wjytexas
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Just like the general population, there are harmless homeless and there are those who cause problems. Around here several wildfires are started every year by homeless camps. Fires in the cedar covered canyons in the western and northwestern parts of Austin have resulted in the loss of quite a few homes. If it were my property I'd probably ask law enforcement to have then move.
If a person has any kind of conscience, they'll always consider why they are out there and would want to help even in the smallest way. The conflict is, like was mentioned, you have no idea of their actual demeanor and what risk you are taking to get involved.
It's not worth chancing the way things are today, and even years ago.
Never had to set up camp, but have been there just the same, very tough transition to get through. In my case, I always had a job, and was able to improve the situation gradually, from what was a rough time in life. Sleep in vehicle, use public restrooms for hygiene, people invited me to stay for short periods of time, even lived in a darned rooming house, but always worked, that was the difference. You can't stop working.
Best to have the law deal with it, for the reasons mentioned below.
Years ago, on the lower west side of Manhattan, on one of the old piers, it was fully occupied by homeless people, they had furniture, belongings, make shift this and that, but no roof. One morning, a front end loader was brought in and they cleared the entire pier with it ! Pushed it all into a pile and hauled it off. Every morning as you drove by, you could see people getting ready for the say, some of them had to have been working. Never saw anything like it.
It's not worth chancing the way things are today, and even years ago.
Never had to set up camp, but have been there just the same, very tough transition to get through. In my case, I always had a job, and was able to improve the situation gradually, from what was a rough time in life. Sleep in vehicle, use public restrooms for hygiene, people invited me to stay for short periods of time, even lived in a darned rooming house, but always worked, that was the difference. You can't stop working.
Best to have the law deal with it, for the reasons mentioned below.
Years ago, on the lower west side of Manhattan, on one of the old piers, it was fully occupied by homeless people, they had furniture, belongings, make shift this and that, but no roof. One morning, a front end loader was brought in and they cleared the entire pier with it ! Pushed it all into a pile and hauled it off. Every morning as you drove by, you could see people getting ready for the say, some of them had to have been working. Never saw anything like it.
Crazy Horse
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Now THAT is interesting ..... mind you there are some conditions and time frames involved but still ..... here is the current situation in Mississippi which I found on a Google search. Like I said though, not quite as easy as one might think but there could be an opening there if someone wanted to pursue it ....
Mississippi squatters rights .....
Mississippi squatters rights .....
Russ from MN
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We see a lot of that in Arizona in the winter time, it's legal on most public land.
Case Nutty 1660
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I run them off Yes,, no need to call the cops,, that seldom works to keep them away,, back when i had thieves stocking my place and stealing gas ect,, I went out at night and Rambo'ed them,, to this day the low lifes around here know if you come on my place you will leave with BB's in you,, I use a CO2 powered pistol but it will put them in you,, always give at least one warning to leave before sending them on their way,, I have had up to four of them at once to deal with,, I do not put up with the crap at all here,, but then out here we take care of our own property and do not be a whimp and call johhny law in who does nothing to them anyway and they return right away,, you come to my place better have your big boy pants on if you want to go toe to toe with me, and yes for those who wonder I was life time friends with our sheriff when this was going on and kept him informed of exactly what I was doing, here we are allowed to protect what is ours,, as for them being down and out,, lots of shelters here and places they can get help,, these here are ones who think they can do what they want no matter who owns the ground,, if someone comes to me to ask for help I have yet to turn anyone down,, come sneaking and stealing and you get a whole different kind of "help" from me
jimg.allentown
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Trespassing is trespassing. Going onto land you do not have permission or rights to occupy is trespassing no matter how you candy coat it.
While on one hand there is sympathy for whatever circumstances caused the situation, it also carries with it a liability. Setting up camp on private property without permission is simply wrong. Decent folks hopefully would have asked for permission to camp there or camped out on public land. Trespassers are never welcome.
While on one hand there is sympathy for whatever circumstances caused the situation, it also carries with it a liability. Setting up camp on private property without permission is simply wrong. Decent folks hopefully would have asked for permission to camp there or camped out on public land. Trespassers are never welcome.
We are living on a small chunk that the wife's parents bought back in the early 70's for about $7K. I have BLM on two sides of me and Weyerhauser on the other two. Basically no neighbors to look at all my junk. Closest human is about 1/4 mile away. Trespassers are reported to the Sheriff. I do feel sorry for a lot of them but I figure most people including minorities had the same opportunity that I did growing up and at 18 or so when I went off to the military. I am not a work-a-holic but I do have a bit of understanding of at least having a plan to make things come together, somehow, maybe and I must admit God's good grace quite a few times.
Homeless? Why?
Minimum wage is roughly $25K yearly on the west coast, two people is $50K. . . And your homeless, uh. . . why?
Dishwasher jobs not happening?
McDonald's stopped hiring?
While I feel sorry for a few people, I have to ask, "Why?"
Oh. Because working as a dishwasher is beneath you.
Guess that is why when I worked as a dishwasher some years ago and I was about to quit, the boss offered to double my pay.
I do remember living on a .79 cent can of baked beans a day for about 6 weeks and walking to work another time.
Homeless for a lot of folks is a choice. Homeless standing on a street corner holding a sign is not homeless.
Holding a sign is a job. You can get paid to do that. You don't need my money to hold that sign.
Trespasser is just a liability beyond my desire to have to deal with it. I do not desire to deal with a worse case scenario of a drugged up squatter.
Have fun, go get a job.
Homeless? Why?
Minimum wage is roughly $25K yearly on the west coast, two people is $50K. . . And your homeless, uh. . . why?
Dishwasher jobs not happening?
McDonald's stopped hiring?
While I feel sorry for a few people, I have to ask, "Why?"
Oh. Because working as a dishwasher is beneath you.
Guess that is why when I worked as a dishwasher some years ago and I was about to quit, the boss offered to double my pay.
I do remember living on a .79 cent can of baked beans a day for about 6 weeks and walking to work another time.
Homeless for a lot of folks is a choice. Homeless standing on a street corner holding a sign is not homeless.
Holding a sign is a job. You can get paid to do that. You don't need my money to hold that sign.
Trespasser is just a liability beyond my desire to have to deal with it. I do not desire to deal with a worse case scenario of a drugged up squatter.
Have fun, go get a job.
Case Nutty 1660
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your can of beans comment rang true with me also,, I have been on my own since I was 15,, those first few years were tough,, three jobs to make apartment rent,, 18-24 hr days when the Mini Mart here came with three hot dogs for 99 cents i was in heaven I could make those three last five days,, I was eating Large then,, many do not know what its like to go hungry
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cnt
There is a lot of social help available in this country. Govt pretty much throws money and housing at people. If you aren’t into the govt, there are a lot of religious and community groups that give a helping hand.
If you aren’t on social help, there is such a strong, strong chance you are on drugs and all the crime that devolves into over time.
I wouldn’t want that on my property.
The problems grow from there.
Sure I feel bad for them, and understand your thoughts.
The legal and moral liability you take on tho, how could you let it continue on.....
Paul
If you aren’t on social help, there is such a strong, strong chance you are on drugs and all the crime that devolves into over time.
I wouldn’t want that on my property.
The problems grow from there.
Sure I feel bad for them, and understand your thoughts.
The legal and moral liability you take on tho, how could you let it continue on.....
Paul
dr sportster
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Lots of homeless camps in Florida .when they get big the cops chase them away. Homeless like Florida
this happins all the time, I have land that is on a dead end twp road where everybody comes to party so they don't get in trouble they cut the lock off my gate or cut the fence to get off the twp property and on to mine so the sheriff cant get them , but when you call the law no one comes out to help you get rid of thes people....bad part is my cows get out and I am the one chasing them in and the people out and fixing the gate or fence
Crazy Horse
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Nutty ..... I hear ya but these days, chances are better than ever that pellets going one way might eventually be bigger chunks of lead going the other. And you know of course that "next time around" might be different and in your favor ...... BUT next time might not happen.
Traditional Farmer
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My neighbor and myself have had similar situations,the game warden said if the stand is on our property to take the stands down and leave a note with a number to call.The number he said to leave was his the game warden's number,so far no one has claimed the stands(LOL)
Traditional Farmer
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How did it turn out when it went to court? Good reason to get the law involved up front.BTW if a stand is considered a fixture to the property in VA the landowner then owns the structure.
Case Nutty 1660
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I had to to do it for over a year before the word got out,, if its my time it happens,, and they better put me down with the first shot
Billy Shafer
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When I was a kid(born 1950)we would have let them stay. If they showed respect to the land and hurt no one. But today you never know what they are on. If anything.
My grandmother had a hobo stop on here place. Where they could stop and rest. Get a meal and a place to sleep. But they always did work at her place. If one was sick. She had one bedroom where they could get well. They always showed her respect never had a problem.When she died several showed up for her service.
In today's world that could never happen.
My grandmother had a hobo stop on here place. Where they could stop and rest. Get a meal and a place to sleep. But they always did work at her place. If one was sick. She had one bedroom where they could get well. They always showed her respect never had a problem.When she died several showed up for her service.
In today's world that could never happen.
Traditional Farmer
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Don't know what they thought but the result is an example of having a poor immigration policy.
Crazy Horse
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Larbear .... good question, some here might miss your connection or perhaps say that was different. Well, maybe it is and maybe it isn't different, I say it's very similar at least.
There is no way I'm going to let someone use my land without my permission. I don't care if you are poor, out of a job and have a family to feed. You come to ME and you politely state your case and then the decision gets made one way or the other. It's my land I paid for, that I pay the taxes and insurance on. It's not unreasonable at all to view things this way. "Oh, they aren't hurting anything." Right, until they break a leg and sue you! If you would let them do this, you may as well give them your house and belongings because that is the next step.
I'm not trying to be smart, I didn't want to give up an opportunity to make the analogy. Seems as the descendants of mostly European people, it has been our culture which brought, in the case of North America and Africa, the iron age to the stone age. We came with a farming culture and super imposed it onto a hunter gatherer culture. Interesting with everything going on how certain people get it. That is that we are I think better off if we can only knuckle under and get to work at pretty much what ever we choose to do. It is bewildering to watch video of people rioting and looting, randsacking a store or business. I have to stop and wonder about people in other countries driven from their homes walking hundreds of miles with children in tow in the hope they might get to a safe haven which might be Europe or even America. People trespassing and much worse don't realize how priveleged they are just to have been born with their citizenship, something so many people risk their lives and take on ridiculous debt in the hope of setting their foot on this continent. We still drive on the right side of the road and the stop signs aren't going away. The system came with us and we make it work or not. I've been a landlord for over 30yrs now, I know what people will do to property and think nothing of it. Bit of a Sunday afternoon rant, I work with a fordson dexta 2000 my dad bought new in 61. Perspectives are interesting.
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