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Intrastate licensing is a STATE issue, interstate licensing has to comply with Federal guidelines usually. If you're staying within your state, then check with your state laws. If you are going interstate, then probably no, you don't barring special circumstances, like hauling Haz Mat.
Farmer Rock
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It's beeen my understanding that to stay under cdl limit,your can't pull a trailer over 10k,and your truck can not exceed 26k totaling 36k with trailer.some states you can tow anything aslong as gross combined vehicle weight does not exceed 26k,so if your truck weighs 8 or 9k than you got 17k for trailer and what your towing.
Oregon Tractor Jack
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I just sold my 24k heavy utility trailer and bought a 14k. I am looking forward to turning in my CDL. Any combination over 26k or 20k single vehicle requires a CDL. That is a federal law. The rest of it like trailer weights and truck weights could be affected by state laws. Here in Oregon you need to have truck plates for any trailer over 10k. Every state is different. You should check with your neighboring states to see what the laws are like if you are going to travel through them much. Usually you will get a "free pass" if you are in violation of that states laws, but not always.
OTJ
OTJ
I also live in Oregon and have a gooseneck with a HF (heavy fixed permanent plate). The power unit has to be licensed for the total weight which is around $750.00 or so annually here. But, since I seldom use it, you can buy a weight increase trip permit which is good for 10 days and costs $5.00. There is a limit of three that can be purchased at a time. Found this on the DMV website and lots of the DMV employees are not aware of it so I always bring along a permit that I purchased earlier. Had one DMV employee tell me she didn't think there was anything for $5.00!
BarnyardEngineering
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- Location
- Rochester, NY
Yes, it depends on the state you're in. Some states have a hard 10K on the trailer weight, as mentioned.
Here in NY, a Class D license, which is a regular driver's license:
May tow a vehicle with a GVWR of 10,000 pounds or less; or may tow a vehicle of more than 10,000 pounds providing the GCWR is not over 26,000 pounds
So yes, you could have a truck registered for 10,000 and a trailer registered for 16,000 and be "legal" without a CDL. In NY.
This is directly off the MV500 document which describes the license classes.
Here in NY, a Class D license, which is a regular driver's license:
May tow a vehicle with a GVWR of 10,000 pounds or less; or may tow a vehicle of more than 10,000 pounds providing the GCWR is not over 26,000 pounds
So yes, you could have a truck registered for 10,000 and a trailer registered for 16,000 and be "legal" without a CDL. In NY.
This is directly off the MV500 document which describes the license classes.
mhb@ufe
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- Location
- Jefferson Maine
your truck will need to be registered to cover the combined weight. Under federal motor carrier regulations you would not need a CDL as the over 10,000 trailer GVWR does not apply until you go over the 26,000 CGVWR. That does not mean that your state couldn't have different regulations. States are allowed to have more stringent regulations but they cannot have more leanant regulations.
Mark
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Eldon (WA)
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In Washington state you go by the GCVWR of both truck and trailer. My dually door sticker says 13025, I was pulling a 14k trailer and the DOT called me on it as theoretically I was set up for 27025, which is over the 26,000. I sold my 14k trailers and bought new, de-rated from the factory to 12,900 and I am now at 25,925 combined and do not have to have a CDL. I was required to get DOT numbers, tho, and if I cross state lines for business purposed I need a health card and log book, but no CDL. There are a lot of non-cdl hotshotters out there, there GCVWR just cannot exceed 26000.
The combination still needs to be over 26. From page one...
Class A — Any vehicle towing a unit of more than 10,000 pounds GVWR with a gross combination weight rating (truck plus trailer) over 26,000 pounds.
Class B — A single-unit vehicle that is over 26,000 pounds GVWR.
Class C — A single-unit vehicle, 26,000 pounds GVWR or less, with one or more of the following endorsements: Hazardous materials, Passenger, School bus.
MN CDL Manual
Class A — Any vehicle towing a unit of more than 10,000 pounds GVWR with a gross combination weight rating (truck plus trailer) over 26,000 pounds.
Class B — A single-unit vehicle that is over 26,000 pounds GVWR.
Class C — A single-unit vehicle, 26,000 pounds GVWR or less, with one or more of the following endorsements: Hazardous materials, Passenger, School bus.
MN CDL Manual
In MO if you are not for hire you do not need a CDL or go through the scales. Does not mean that DOT
won't never flag you. I was hauling my Farmall 400 to my Dads which is also in MO and was stopped
for blowing the scales. After much discussion with the State officer he was convinced I was not for
hire. Might have started since when he asked for my license I gave him my Class A CDL
won't never flag you. I was hauling my Farmall 400 to my Dads which is also in MO and was stopped
for blowing the scales. After much discussion with the State officer he was convinced I was not for
hire. Might have started since when he asked for my license I gave him my Class A CDL
john in la
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So lets get this straight.
The trailer is only added into the gross combined weight if the trailer is rated for more than 10,000 lbs.
So in other words if you have a truck rated at 25,000 lbs pulling a trailer rated at 9,000 lbs (34,000 lbs total) you DO NOT need a CDL because the truck is not rated for more than 26,000 lbs.
If the trailer is rated at 10,000 lbs or more you add the truck and trailer together to get the GCWR.
If over 26,000 lbs requires a CDL.
The only exemption is personal use.
And pretty much anything that does not include a RV personal use can be questioned.
Such as the guy that hauls his tractor to a hay field.
He figures his tractor; his truck and trailer; his hay.
That's personal.
But if you sell a bale of hay or feed it to a cow you later will sell it is no longer personal use.
It is a business.
The trailer is only added into the gross combined weight if the trailer is rated for more than 10,000 lbs.
So in other words if you have a truck rated at 25,000 lbs pulling a trailer rated at 9,000 lbs (34,000 lbs total) you DO NOT need a CDL because the truck is not rated for more than 26,000 lbs.
If the trailer is rated at 10,000 lbs or more you add the truck and trailer together to get the GCWR.
If over 26,000 lbs requires a CDL.
The only exemption is personal use.
And pretty much anything that does not include a RV personal use can be questioned.
Such as the guy that hauls his tractor to a hay field.
He figures his tractor; his truck and trailer; his hay.
That's personal.
But if you sell a bale of hay or feed it to a cow you later will sell it is no longer personal use.
It is a business.
Eldon (WA)
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But hay is farm related....new set of rules. I avoided a fine because I was hauling manure for my farm.
Traditional Farmer
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- Location
- Virginia
Farm vehicles run under a law all its own at least here in VA,they get more breaks than private, and farming is not a business as normally classified its a deal all its own.That's why farming has its own form on the federal Income Taxes.I can drive a farm vehicle of any type with no CDL no matter the weight.Farm trucks in my area rarely get a ticket or even stopped for anything.
caterpillar guy
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And find the same answer twice from 2 different cops. I 've been told one thing from one and something completely different from another for the same load. This would be with the same truck ,trailer and load. This is in the fine bolshevik state of MI. Lordy I would love to leave it.
john in la
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Yes farmers have their own exemption.
So yes using cutting hay might have been a bad example.
The point is people do not think they have to follow DOT rules because they are not in the trucking business.
Let me put it this way.
Give me a good reason why someone needs to haul a tractor big enough to get above CDL weight but yet can call it personal use.
About the only thing I can think of is a guy hauling a tractor to a hunting lease to plant a food plot. But 99% of those guys are no where near CDL weight.
I see it all the time with our extremely high discretionary income today.
3/4 and 1 ton trucks have become very popular but yet they can get you in trouble.
Here is one example.
This guy is pulling 2 trailers.
Front trailer is a 5th wheel.
Perfectly legal in a lot of states including his home state of Louisiana.
Could tell where he was from by the plates.
Problem is he is in Alabama.
So he has come all the way across Mississippi and into Alabama.
Both of these states it is illegal to pull two trailers.
So is he oblivious to the laws or just doesn't care about the laws?
Neither is a reasonable defense.
So yes using cutting hay might have been a bad example.
The point is people do not think they have to follow DOT rules because they are not in the trucking business.
Let me put it this way.
Give me a good reason why someone needs to haul a tractor big enough to get above CDL weight but yet can call it personal use.
About the only thing I can think of is a guy hauling a tractor to a hunting lease to plant a food plot. But 99% of those guys are no where near CDL weight.
I see it all the time with our extremely high discretionary income today.
3/4 and 1 ton trucks have become very popular but yet they can get you in trouble.
Here is one example.
This guy is pulling 2 trailers.
Front trailer is a 5th wheel.
Perfectly legal in a lot of states including his home state of Louisiana.
Could tell where he was from by the plates.
Problem is he is in Alabama.
So he has come all the way across Mississippi and into Alabama.
Both of these states it is illegal to pull two trailers.
So is he oblivious to the laws or just doesn't care about the laws?
Neither is a reasonable defense.
Drivers operating all farm trucks if the farm truck is: oControlled and operated by a farmer, including operation by an immediate family member or an employee of the farmer.oUsed to transport agricultural products, farm machinery, or farm supplies, including hazardous materials, to or from a farm.oNot used in the operations of a common or contract motor carrier as governed by Code of Federal Regulations, title 49, part 365.oUsed within 150 miles of the farm.
From the Mn drivers manual, are exempt.
From the Mn drivers manual, are exempt.
Well done John. Another way to look at it is that for any commercial vehicle the FMCSR apply UNLESS there is an exemption. I'm in the same boat myself since NYS adopted the FMCSR as State Law and I have a truck with an 8900 GVWR. Pretty much any trailer I put behind it makes it a CMV and I then have to follow the FMCSR, DOT#, etc. Pretty easy for people to get confused!
morepower02
Member
My f350 with gooseneck tandem axle duals and two tractors going to shows weighs 31,500 Ive never been bothered.
morepower02
Member
Actually in MN as long as not over 150 miles from home Im perfectly legal:
A driver is not required to obtain a CDL to operate any of the following vehicles:
A farm truck when it is:
Operated by the farmer or immediate family member, or an employee of the farmer;
Used to transport agricultural products, farm machinery, or farm supplies, including hazardous materials to or from a farm;
Not used in a contract or common carrier operation; and
Used within 150 miles of the farm.
buickanddeere
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Rarely mentioned anymore is the "Philadelphia Lawyer". Laws were written by lawyer for lawyers to read.
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