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DoubleO7
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Looks like clutch parts for an eaton trac lock.
Your Terramite already has a posi?
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Geo-TH,In
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Double07
You are right it's part of the limited slip.
That's a game changer.
I'LL be buying the complete carrier with the limited slip, $325.
https://eastcoastgearsupply.com/i-9056671-terramite-complete-limited-slip-case-differential.html
Now I'll need to learn how to set it up.
Geo.
Pic of internal parts.
You are right it's part of the limited slip.
That's a game changer.
I'LL be buying the complete carrier with the limited slip, $325.
https://eastcoastgearsupply.com/i-9056671-terramite-complete-limited-slip-case-differential.html
Now I'll need to learn how to set it up.
Geo.
Pic of internal parts.
DoubleO7
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Limited slip, positraction, nospin, trac lok, many names for the same thing. Some are descriptions, some are brand and model names.
https://www.drivetrainamerica.com/707018x-dana-44-trac-lok-posi-clutch-disc-plate-kit/
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Geo-TH,In
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Bob,
I really have never done this before. This is above my pay grade. I need gears too. Something damaged the limited slip which may be what damaged my gears.
For $325 I'll get gears, carrier, limited slip. Hoping to put get this done the first time.
What else should I buy besides carrier? Shims?
If I can't get old bearing off, I may buy them too.
I do have many pullers, a lathe and a 20 ton press.
Are there special tools I'll need to set up the back lash? I should be getting a spreader any day now.
Any site for rear end dummies?
Many thanks to everyone.
geo.
I really have never done this before. This is above my pay grade. I need gears too. Something damaged the limited slip which may be what damaged my gears.
For $325 I'll get gears, carrier, limited slip. Hoping to put get this done the first time.
What else should I buy besides carrier? Shims?
If I can't get old bearing off, I may buy them too.
I do have many pullers, a lathe and a 20 ton press.
Are there special tools I'll need to set up the back lash? I should be getting a spreader any day now.
Any site for rear end dummies?
Many thanks to everyone.
geo.
All sorts of videos on the "Tube". "Setting up a DANA 44 Axle"
One problem is that the bearings with the shims behind them press on so DARNED hard and have to be PULLED off a time or 3 when setting up the bearing preload and gear backlash.
Shops that do a lot of them have a set of new bearings with inside diameter honed out to easily slide in place during setup and shim changes, when that's all done the swap on an new, unmodified bearing, and usually tolerances between new bearings are so close everything will check out when the permanent bearings get installed.
It's still unclear to me if your carrier itself is damaged significantly.
If NOT, and the side bearings are good and you reuse the carrier and bearings you will avoid the details of shimming for bearing preload, then moving shims around to get the correct bearing backlash.
One problem is that the bearings with the shims behind them press on so DARNED hard and have to be PULLED off a time or 3 when setting up the bearing preload and gear backlash.
Shops that do a lot of them have a set of new bearings with inside diameter honed out to easily slide in place during setup and shim changes, when that's all done the swap on an new, unmodified bearing, and usually tolerances between new bearings are so close everything will check out when the permanent bearings get installed.
It's still unclear to me if your carrier itself is damaged significantly.
If NOT, and the side bearings are good and you reuse the carrier and bearings you will avoid the details of shimming for bearing preload, then moving shims around to get the correct bearing backlash.
Hobo,NC
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Are the clutches and spider gears already installed.. If not they are a P.I.T.A. to install no mater how easy it looks...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbjPT1JdQKw
How about new ring gear bolts... I get a complete instillation kit and roll with it.. I am going after it all so will need the extra parts...
MarkB_MI
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George, that's a great price on that differential, but you might consider upgrading to a TrueTrac unit. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZmsY2YvVsc">TrueTrac don't need no STINKING CLUTCHES!</a>
TrueTrac differentials for Dana 44
TrueTrac differentials for Dana 44
DoubleO7
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- Crystal River, FL
Just Lincoln lockit or put a spool in it.
100% drive both wheels at the same time all the time.
100% drive both wheels at the same time all the time.
MarkB_MI
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> What else should I buy besides carrier? Shims?
George, you'll need a "carrier install kit", which includes the carrier bearings and shims. A "full install kit" also includes the various pinion parts. Don't bother trying to salvage the bearings off the old carrier; it's not worth the aggravation.
If you have a dial indicator, that should be the only special tool you need to set the backlash.
The toughest part will probably be getting the ring gear off the old carrier and on to the new one. It needs to be heated to about 500 degrees before it will fit over the carrier. Which, coincidentally, is about the temperature of your gas barbecue.
If I'm not mistaken, the ring gear bolts are left hand thread. You may find, as I did, that your torque wrench doesn't work in the counter-clockwise direction.
George, you'll need a "carrier install kit", which includes the carrier bearings and shims. A "full install kit" also includes the various pinion parts. Don't bother trying to salvage the bearings off the old carrier; it's not worth the aggravation.
If you have a dial indicator, that should be the only special tool you need to set the backlash.
The toughest part will probably be getting the ring gear off the old carrier and on to the new one. It needs to be heated to about 500 degrees before it will fit over the carrier. Which, coincidentally, is about the temperature of your gas barbecue.
If I'm not mistaken, the ring gear bolts are left hand thread. You may find, as I did, that your torque wrench doesn't work in the counter-clockwise direction.
MarkB_MI
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> Just Lincoln lockit or put a spool in it.
> 100% drive both wheels at the same time all the time.
And if he wants to turn?
> 100% drive both wheels at the same time all the time.
And if he wants to turn?
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Geo-TH,In
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Mark?
Turning in mud is a challenge. Front wheels slide in mud. Backing up seems to help getting front wheels in direction you want.
Not a problem on dry ground. Rear wheels slip enough.
Go-kart has a live axle, no differential.
Front wheels slide in the grass. Rear wheels will have to slip. Good safety because you can't make a sharp turn.
My 1962 XKE had limited slip. You couldn't turn on snow covered roads. To you had to use gas peddle. Turn the wheels and bump the gas peddle to slide the rear end around.
geo
Turning in mud is a challenge. Front wheels slide in mud. Backing up seems to help getting front wheels in direction you want.
Not a problem on dry ground. Rear wheels slip enough.
Go-kart has a live axle, no differential.
Front wheels slide in the grass. Rear wheels will have to slip. Good safety because you can't make a sharp turn.
My 1962 XKE had limited slip. You couldn't turn on snow covered roads. To you had to use gas peddle. Turn the wheels and bump the gas peddle to slide the rear end around.
geo
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Geo-TH,In
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Ring gear fell off.
Bolts torqued to 75.
Right hand threads.
I'm not pulling the pinion.
the nut is welded to shaft.
5 mph top speed I don't think the backlash
is totally critical.
I'm going to do my best.
Don't the shims go between the bearings and carrier.
If so doesn't that means I'll be using trial and error to get the pinion in the right position? Pulling the bearings off carrier.
Looking forward to all the fun..
geo.
Bolts torqued to 75.
Right hand threads.
I'm not pulling the pinion.
the nut is welded to shaft.
5 mph top speed I don't think the backlash
is totally critical.
I'm going to do my best.
Don't the shims go between the bearings and carrier.
If so doesn't that means I'll be using trial and error to get the pinion in the right position? Pulling the bearings off carrier.
Looking forward to all the fun..
geo.
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Geo-TH,In
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Hobo,
Looks easy.
Should I use a 20 year old abused carrier, buy new
gears and limited disk parts or just buy a new
assembly for $325 from east coast gear?
I'm guessing the part where the ears on the flat
washers came in contact with the carrier has to be
damaged.
Many thanks for link.
geo.
Looks easy.
Should I use a 20 year old abused carrier, buy new
gears and limited disk parts or just buy a new
assembly for $325 from east coast gear?
I'm guessing the part where the ears on the flat
washers came in contact with the carrier has to be
damaged.
Many thanks for link.
geo.
Hobo,NC
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After pricing out the parts new
assembly for $325 looks good to me : )
I would hope it comes assembled it can be a job to assemble the locker set up. I had forgot about that I brought the over priced bolt set to do it it still was TUFF...
https://www.randysworldwide.com/product/yt-t01/
MarkB_MI
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> Ring gear fell off.
Well that simplifies things.
> the nut is welded to shaft.
I wonder what's up with THAT?
> Don't the shims go between the bearings and carrier.
> If so doesn't that means I'll be using trial and error to get the pinion in the right position?
Hmm. I was thinking they were outboard of the bearings on my differential. But the Dana parts breakdown shows them inboard, so it must not be too difficult to pull the bearings on your diff. Yes, you adjust the bearing stack to get the proper backlash, then add an extra shim on each side to add in the preload.
Well that simplifies things.
> the nut is welded to shaft.
I wonder what's up with THAT?
> Don't the shims go between the bearings and carrier.
> If so doesn't that means I'll be using trial and error to get the pinion in the right position?
Hmm. I was thinking they were outboard of the bearings on my differential. But the Dana parts breakdown shows them inboard, so it must not be too difficult to pull the bearings on your diff. Yes, you adjust the bearing stack to get the proper backlash, then add an extra shim on each side to add in the preload.
MarkB_MI
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George, looking at that East Coast Gear site, I see that $325 replacement differential is cheaper than the OEM Dana gear set alone. Which makes me wonder why the complete diff is so cheap and where it comes from. You might want to consider spending a bit more money for the "Yukon Dura Grip" differential. And of course I've already mentioned the redoubtable TrueTrac diff.
Terramite parts
Terramite parts
MarkB_MI
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> Turning in mud is a challenge. Front wheels slide in mud. Backing up seems to help getting front wheels in direction you want.
Unfortunately, if your Termite can't turn in the mud, it's pretty much a boat anchor. So I'm not a fan of the "Lincoln Locker" option.
Unfortunately, if your Termite can't turn in the mud, it's pretty much a boat anchor. So I'm not a fan of the "Lincoln Locker" option.
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Geo-TH,In
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Bob,
Something had to damage the washer. So why take a chance to save buck?
I'll order new gear and parts after I remove the old one.
The BOSS uses this terramite more than I do.
My other terramite is rooming with the Kubota.
I could move that terramite if needed.
No urgency. The terramite makes it easier for me to attach things to the Kubota, especially the 900# rear ballast.
George
Something had to damage the washer. So why take a chance to save buck?
I'll order new gear and parts after I remove the old one.
The BOSS uses this terramite more than I do.
My other terramite is rooming with the Kubota.
I could move that terramite if needed.
No urgency. The terramite makes it easier for me to attach things to the Kubota, especially the 900# rear ballast.
George
Hobo,NC
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This is why I spent the money for a set of set up bearings...
https://www.randysworldwide.com/product/yt-sb-d44/
Next with the proper tools you can remove the bearings without damage but sometimes it dose not....
For all those that say we charge to much you buy the tools then tell me again...
https://www.randysworldwide.com/product/yt-p20/
Its still doable with out the special tools... Its all in a days work : )
MarkB_MI
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> Its still doable with out the special tools... Its all in a days work : )
Yikes! That's one expensive puller. Particularly since it's a one-trick pony.
Yikes! That's one expensive puller. Particularly since it's a one-trick pony.
Hobo,NC
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YES it is then add the extras that you can buy for it... Its a Big time saver wamm bamm the bearings are off 95% of the time reusable at that...
It would depend on what a hours worth of aggravating work is worth to ya... For a one off NO if you make a living at it then by all means own a tool that makes you money and makes life easier...
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