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Tom in Mo.

Tom in Mo.

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This was discussed alittle below and thought I'd bring it up here labeled as such.
Both views have their advantages and the users have their preferences.
I've been lurking here since Oct. of 2000 and once I changed over to modern view I've never looked back. My preference.
 
I'm a Classic ol' hippie. LOL

Tried the Modern world once when posting pics wasn't working in Classic - returned to Classic... and never looked back.
 
I most always use classic but so use modern for some things.
Just prefer the way classic works better.
 
(quoted from post at 13:46:43 12/29/19) This was discussed alittle below and thought I'd bring it up here labeled as such.
Both views have their advantages and the users have their preferences.
I've been lurking here since Oct. of 2000 and once I changed over to modern view I've never looked back. My preference.
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The problem is that there are two choices. Nobody knows who said what, when or why. ridiculous.
 
Mostly modern for me except for the cell phone. Classic comes in larger font on the phone. It keeps me on my toes remembering the order the posts came in.
 
Big laugh. I was down the page from here, finished the business and came back up. In seeing your two replies, on my Classic Post Listing, I had a strong hunch that you guys would post as you did. Neat! This is exactly the reason I am a Classic lover.
 
While it would have been easy for Chris to install the modern view; trash the classic view and move on; he was considerate of our wishes.
He has spent many many hours problem solving to make the two systems work together.
It is a ongoing problem he deals with even today.
No other site I have seen is that considerate of its members.

So if you use modern view just know you have been out voted.
And from us that still use classic view.
We say a big thank you to Chris for taking the time to make this happen.

Thank You Chris and Kim for this great site.
 
Me Five

And what ever you do. Don't put color in your site.I am also on Smokstak. Have been for 25 years.Now Many of us are having trouble looking at the site. The first page and the manual page no problem. But the main page has too many shages of color in it. Ten to fifteen minutes is all I can look at. Then I start getting sick.Please don't go to color on this site.
 
I just jumped back and forth looking at both views and it's obvious the replies on Modern view don't follow the intended post, they show up in chronological order. The Classic view posts trail the intended thought. Advantage - Classic
 
I'm a classic guy. I have looked at the other and was right back here to classic. Also have looked at other sites and didn't care for that modern idea.
 
Personally I use Classic. Just a preference for me. But is it "Really" that big of a deal for folks.
I'm guessing its just to hard for some folks to click that Modern View button when they sign on ??
 
(quoted from post at 11:32:09 12/29/19) I just jumped back and forth looking at both views and it's obvious the replies on Modern view don't follow the intended post, they show up in chronological order. The Classic view posts trail the intended thought. Advantage - Classic
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Threads on classic fall out of sight quickly no matter how many posts are made or when.

Threads on modern come to the top with every post made no matter when. Much easier.

Trying to make them both work in unison is a fools errand apparently as this has been attempted for who knows how long and it just doesn't work.

I don't know why the site operators don't just say it's either going to be classic or modern, one or the other not both and then do it.

I'm no computer genius but even I can see that choosing one and making it work right has got to be simpler and easier than trying to make these two systems interact smoothly together, it's never gonna happen.

Or... maybe the ones doing this work enjoy the aggravation and frustration that attempting to make them work together must surely bring.
 
(quoted from post at 11:32:09 12/29/19) I just jumped back and forth looking at both views and it's obvious the replies on Modern view don't follow the intended post, they show up in chronological order. The Classic view posts trail the intended thought. Advantage - Classic
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Threads on classic fall out of sight quickly no matter how many posts are made or when.

Threads on modern come to the top with every post made no matter when. Much easier.

Trying to make them both work in unison is a fools errand apparently as this has been attempted for who knows how long and it just doesn't work.

I don't know why the site operators don't just say it's either going to be classic or modern, one or the other not both and then do it.

I'm no computer genius but even I can see that choosing one and making it work right has got to be simpler and easier than trying to make these two systems interact smoothly together, it's never gonna happen.

Or... maybe the ones doing this work enjoy the aggravation and frustration that attempting to make them work together must surely bring.
 
The terms "classic" and "modern" are an issue in themselves ..... classic implies something being archaic and out-of-date, antiquated, and maybe difficult to use or process. Modern implies pretty much the opposite. I never could figure out what was wrong with classic in the first place, obviously a lot of guys still use it without too much difficulty and there are certainly some advantages in my opinion. Just because something new comes on the scene doesn't necessarily mean it's better or improved.
 
The classic point of view lets me keep track of s thread on the first three pages or so and it doesn't get lost under repeatedly pulled to the top content. By three pages it will likely be answered, or the OP will have gone away. I have a bunch of posts and love the site as is, serving those the meal they need with the silverware, or scoop shovel of their choice. Yippeee. Jim
 
The classic point of view lets me keep track of s thread on the first three pages or so and it doesn't get lost under repeatedly pulled to the top content. By three pages it will likely be answered, or the OP will have gone away. I have a bunch of posts and love the site as is, serving those the meal they need with the silverware, or scoop shovel of their choice. Yippeee. Jim
 
If any one version is abandoned, it will be Classic as it is the oldest version from the company that created it.
Modern is/was the next generation created. And has likely been replaced by yet another newer version.
Even Modern "XP" will need to be replaced with Modern "10" at some point.
When versions of software are no longer supported by the manufacturer, you have to go to the next version.
Or be a software engineer to some degree to find a work around to keep the older version going.
 
Maybe I'm just not "getting it", but can't understand why anybody would like Modern. Classic keeps the posts in order, and allows you to see who is replying to whom within a post.
 
I prefer classic, the train of thought seems clearer when side arguments
break out. lol. I sometimes go to modern to see if someone has left their
location available. My thanks go to our hosts.
 
This debate is yet another subject that has been discussed over and over.

There are some of us (the majority, I think) that prefer the classic. I prefer the classic. Is one better than the other? All in the eyes of the beholder. That is why they make more than one flavor of ice cream. Some prefer chocolate, others prefer vanilla.

If one is abandoned, I would think that there would be a lot of disappointed people. Could even be bad for the forums. Many would leave here for other forums more to their liking.

Newer is not always better. Sometimes the older is the best. As evidenced by the very existence of this forum. If those new million dollar tractors that the farmer doesn't really own were so much better, this forum would be about them. As it stands, when one breaks down in the field during harvest, which one do you think is going to be back up and running first?

Back to the forum, though. Each user will use the view that suits their needs the best. Not your decision to make, Double07 or Tom in Mo. You use what you like and I will use what I like. And the decisions regarding which to abandon (or not) are strictly up to Chris and Kim.

As a side note, to the poster calling this setup a "fool's errand," I say that such a remark is uncalled for and insulting to the hosts. This system has been working for many years as it is with only some minor difficulties.
 
(quoted from post at 12:31:21 12/29/19). Not your decision to make, Double07 or Tom in Mo. You use what you like and I will use what I like. And the decisions regarding which to abandon (or not) are strictly up to Chris and Kim.

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You are correct.
You can also wish in one hand and hope in the other.
Especially when one thinks something can be kept running forever be it a program or old tractor.
 
Classic most of the time. Read almost every thread in a
forum. Modern, for some reason is unappealing and I skip
over many threads. Sometimes when I suspect pictures or
info are missing in classic I will switch to modern. I am
grateful for both views.
 
(quoted from post at 08:12:13 12/29/19) I use them both. Classic more. For those who like to complain about what the owners of this site want, no one is keeping you here.
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I'll use modern 99% of the time. I just see no advantage to classic and it is harder to find a thread that I have been following. In modern view the latest post is right there at the top where it would seem logical to me. The only time I'll go over to classic is to post a video link. Its funny as I am usually the guy resistant to change anything, but in this case, I'll use the one that works best for me. That is modern.
 

I had to make myself use modern once I got use to it I prefer modern. I spec if they dumped classic they would lose some of there files, Parts and pieces, tractor pix etc but that's speculation.
 
(quoted from post at 13:01:21 12/29/19) This debate is yet another subject that has been discussed over and over.


As a side note, [b:33809d9585]to the poster calling this setup a "fool's errand,[/b:33809d9585]" I say that such a remark is uncalled for and insulting to the hosts. This system has been working for many years as it is with only some minor difficulties.
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That would be me. Why not address me directly?

This system does not work smoothly between the two systems, only a fool would not see that. As for insulting the hosts, that was not my intent, my intent was stating the deficiencies of this system.

My point being:

"WHY NOT DROP ONE OR THE OTHER AND MAKE THE SITE WORK AS IT SHOULD. I DON"T CARE WHICH ONE IS DROPPED, JUST FIX IT!!"

Can you "hear" me now?
 
Classic just works better for me. I have never seen the advantage to modern and don't need emojis to make a point. It is very easy to see whom is responding to who in the threads and it gradually fades away as it gets stale.
 
[b:934de2a5f7]This system does not work smoothly between the two systems, only a fool would not see that.

[i:934de2a5f7]Clarence, how would an average guy with average computer skills be able to tell that the two systems in use here do not work well together? And if I can't tell that, then I'm a fool? Rather a rude comment I would think. I use classic almost exclusively but have switchoed over now and then. So one is different than the other, but does that mean that they don't work smoothly together? And who says they're supposed to or should? Anyways, back to my question, how can a guy tell?[/i:934de2a5f7][/b:934de2a5f7]
 
Classic here.
I think they added modern because a lot
of folks couldn't or wouldn't learn how
to post links or photos in classic. So,
like our public schools they tried to
make it easier and made a mess of things
in the process. Whether you use Modern
or Classic is immaterial to me but as I
wrote in the post below, don't expect
your stand alone, disjointed reply to a
2 week old post to be read by many
people.
I for one just ain't going to bother
clicking over to Modern to find out what
you're talking about.
The post that brought this topic up.
 
why in the world would anyone need to read :Re: Classic view and Modern view: over 40 times? about half the page used up just for this one post? kinda silly.
 
(quoted from post at 14:23:56 12/29/19) [b:ee8a959c19]This system does not work smoothly between the two systems, only a fool would not see that.

[i:ee8a959c19]Clarence, how would an average guy with average computer skills be able to tell that the two systems in use here do not work well together? And if I can't tell that, then I'm a fool? Rather a rude comment I would think. I use classic almost exclusively but have switchoed over now and then. So one is different than the other, but does that mean that they don't work smoothly together? And who says they're supposed to or should? Anyways, back to my question, how can a guy tell?[/i:ee8a959c19][/b:ee8a959c19]
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Alright, a good question. When I post a reply to someone when using modern I always quote the poster I am responding to. When you look at that post in classic it says: "Quoting Removed" and then shows that I am responding to someone else altogether.

Does that seem to be working smoothly together?

Threads broken up and scattered through both versions because of some glitch in one or the other. Is that smooth?

No edit function because to my understanding it won't work in classic. Is that smooth?

I could go on but I'd be wasting my time.

Pick one, make it work.
 
(quoted from post at 14:45:40 12/29/19) why in the world would anyone need to read :Re: Classic view and Modern view: over 40 times? about half the page used up just for this one post? kinda silly.
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You're in it too, does that make you silly?
 
(quoted from post at 13:23:51 12/29/19)
(quoted from post at 14:45:40 12/29/19) why in the world would anyone need to read :Re: Classic view and Modern view: over 40 times? about half the page used up just for this one post? kinda silly.
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You're in it too, does that make you silly?
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no smarty im not using the classic view but I can click over and count how many time it shows up
 
(quoted from post at 15:09:39 12/29/19)
(quoted from post at 13:23:51 12/29/19)
(quoted from post at 14:45:40 12/29/19) why in the world would anyone need to read :Re: Classic view and Modern view: over 40 times? about half the page used up just for this one post? kinda silly.
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You're in it too, does that make you silly?
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no smarty im not using the classic view but I can click over and count how many time it shows up
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Smarty eh? Well!

I'd assumed that you looked at it and decided it was a silly thread and why would anyone bother to be involved with it and then you posted your opinion thereby directly becoming involved in a silly thread.

Ya follow?
 
(quoted from post at 13:46:43 12/29/19)
(quoted from post at 15:09:39 12/29/19)
(quoted from post at 13:23:51 12/29/19)
(quoted from post at 14:45:40 12/29/19) why in the world would anyone need to read :Re: Classic view and Modern view: over 40 times? about half the page used up just for this one post? kinda silly.
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You're in it too, does that make you silly?
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no smarty im not using the classic view but I can click over and count how many time it shows up
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Smarty eh? Well!

I'd assumed that you looked at it and decided it was a silly thread and why would anyone bother to be involved with it and then you posted your opinion thereby directly becoming involved in a silly thread.

Ya follow?
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the man who started this asked for preference I gave mine same as you
 
A couple of years ago I had a question about my garden tractor. I googled it. That search brought me to Yesterdays Tractors.

I don't know why, but it just happened to bring me to modern view. Thats how I was introduced to the site. It's where I started and what I got use to. Not being a real savvy person on the computer, I didn't even know there was an option, modern/classic. There are times when someone will reference a pic in their post, but I see no pic. I will switch over to classic, and there it is. Then I will switch back to modern, it's no big deal.

I do like modern for it's larger print. I suppose if I knew more, I could make the print in classic larger too. It's just not that important to me. Sometimes in modern a person will reply to an individual without quoting them, and you are left wondering just who they are addressing. Again, I don't lose any sleep over it.

If everyone one agreed on everything, and held the same opinion on every matter, there would be no use for this forum. Where would that leave us. Watching Beverly Hillbilly reruns all day. I like the Beverly Hillbillys, but a little goes a long way. Greg
 
(quoted from post at 15:27:03 12/29/19)
(quoted from post at 13:46:43 12/29/19)
(quoted from post at 15:09:39 12/29/19)
(quoted from post at 13:23:51 12/29/19)
(quoted from post at 14:45:40 12/29/19) why in the world would anyone need to read :Re: Classic view and Modern view: over 40 times? about half the page used up just for this one post? kinda silly.
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You're in it too, does that make you silly?
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no smarty im not using the classic view but I can click over and count how many time it shows up
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Smarty eh? Well!

I'd assumed that you looked at it and decided it was a silly thread and why would anyone bother to be involved with it and then you posted your opinion thereby directly becoming involved in a silly thread.

Ya follow?
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the man who started this asked for preference I gave mine same as you
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In the post I qouted you didn't.
 
To make things lager in either one you push on the CTRL key and hold it an then use the scroll knob on your mouse to make things bigger or smaller
 

I switched over to modern after maybe five years on classic and never looked back. The reasons for liking modern are predominantly the same reasons that all the classic people give for liking classic. Anybody that has been here for any length of time knows that it takes a lot of Chris' time to root out the various problems that come up due to the merging of the two. We also know that we have to say that we support classic in order not to be considered a "modern" person. We also know that eventually it will end and all the YTers who just KNOW that Kim and Chris are keeping classic going just because he or she says that they will leave if classic goes will leave for a week and then be back, LOL.
 
I think is classic where to go away they could well loose 50% or more of the people who post on the site. I remember years ago that they did a survey asking people about classic and modern and many said keep classic
 
(quoted from post at 17:10:30 12/29/19) I think is classic where to go away they could well loose 50% or more of the people who post on the site. I remember years ago that they did a survey asking people about classic and modern and many said keep classic
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Maybe, but where would they go to find another tractor forum that uses the same format?

I don't know of any.
 
(quoted from post at 14:27:50 12/29/19)
I switched over to modern after maybe five years on classic and never looked back. The reasons for liking modern are predominantly the same reasons that all the classic people give for liking classic. Anybody that has been here for any length of time knows that it takes a lot of Chris' time to root out the various problems that come up due to the merging of the two. We also know that we have to say that we support classic in order not to be considered a "modern" person. We also know that eventually it will end and all the YTers who just KNOW that Kim and Chris are keeping classic going just because he or she says that they will leave if classic goes will leave for a week and then be back, LOL.
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Fully agree! Chris has stated more than once that eventually classic will go away because of lack of support for the system, it's not a matter of choice, it's a matter of when.
It's just a matter of figuring out how each system works a flowing with it.

I prefer to flow with modern
 
If our hosts were to take a vote as to whether to go with classic or modern, I think that classic would win out by a landslide.

Just judging from the replies so far it looks like classic is preferred by about 3 to 1 over modern.
 
When classic goes away, there will be a large bump up in traffic! All the classic whinners will show up....on Modern, no less.
 
(quoted from post at 15:50:47 12/29/19) When classic goes away nobody will leave, where else will they go?
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Exactly! They'll complain about it for a while, but they'll get used to it and life will go on. They might even realize how much better it is, but of course they would never admit that! :wink:
 
(quoted from post at 13:34:23 12/29/19) When classic goes away, there will be a large bump up in traffic! All the classic whinners will show up....on Modern, no less.
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JMOR, can't you just see it now? That three to one majority all going to cinderblock or wherever when Kim announces that the server died and the classic software won't run on the new one? Yeah right. It's inevitable.
 
I think some of you guys took me wrong about this subject.

I was not complaining about the number of post being made about the subject. that's what makes it interesting more the merrier.

I may not picked the best way to explain the reason I don like the classic view

what I was trying to say the reason I dislike the classic view opposed to the modern view is that every time a classic post is made it leaves a :re subject so that you may have "40" or what ever number it maybe subject lines scrawled down the page. I have seen it where there was only one subject line on the whole page.

I will try in the future to think out what im trying to say a little better

Clarence slydell I hope you hold no hard feelings because none were intended

TerryT
 
(quoted from post at 02:48:20 12/30/19) I think some of you guys took me wrong about this subject.

I was not complaining about the number of post being made about the subject. that's what makes it interesting more the merrier.

I may not picked the best way to explain the reason I don like the classic view

what I was trying to say the reason I dislike the classic view opposed to the modern view is that every time a classic post is made it leaves a :re subject so that you may have "40" or what ever number it maybe subject lines scrawled down the page. I have seen it where there was only one subject line on the whole page.

I will try in the future to think out what im trying to say a little better

Clarence slydell I hope you hold no hard feelings because none were intended

TerryT
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None whatsoever TerryT. Thanks for the clarification.
 

I ...hate both, actually. With many forums, you start at the beginning, and can read through in order. If you reply to someone, that reply is quoted, or at least it says "in reply to". So, when reading from the beginning, you can see who is being replied to without missing anything, and without having to think about who is being replied to.

With both classic and modern, you have to look to see who is being replied to if they aren't quoted. The other way is MUCH simpler.
 
(quoted from post at 11:23:04 12/30/19)
I ...hate both, actually. With many forums, you start at the beginning, and can read through in order. If you reply to someone, that reply is quoted, or at least it says "in reply to". So, when reading from the beginning, you can see who is being replied to without missing anything, and without having to think about who is being replied to.

With both classic and modern, you have to look to see who is being replied to if they aren't quoted. The other way is MUCH simpler.
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Exactly.
 

I can live with either system. I like some features of each however, it is confusing to me and problematic to have two systems. For example, many times a post will have "....click on modern view to see...". When you click on modern view it does not come up, but rather you have to go find it. Maybe I am doing something wrong...? In conclusion, to me the issue is more about two systems rather than which system is better. Given a choice I would rather have one system (even if it was not my favorite) than two systems.
 
(quoted from post at 11:54:46 12/30/19)
I can live with either system. I like some features of each however, it is confusing to me and problematic to have two systems. For example, many times a post will have "....click on modern view to see...". When you click on modern view it does not come up, but rather you have to go find it. Maybe I am doing something wrong...? [b:dff4a2d20e] In conclusion, to me the issue is more about two systems rather than which system is better. Given a choice I would rather have one system (even if it was not my favorite) than two systems[/b:dff4a2d20e].
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Exactly my point.
 
Where else would they go, easy no place, just quit looking for anything. Dissapear for ever.
 
Leave and NOT will be back ever. Good information will be missed not to be replaced.
 
Latest Impossible to tell who is responding to who. post at top makes no sence to me, I cannot follow anything with that happening. Pictures I will look at, video NO I will not look at it.
 
(quoted from post at 09:24:46 12/30/19)
I can live with either system. I like some features of each however, it is confusing to me and problematic to have two systems. For example, many times a post will have "....click on modern view to see...". When you click on modern view it does not come up, but rather you have to go find it. Maybe I am doing something wrong...? In conclusion, to me the issue is more about two systems rather than which system is better. Given a choice I would rather have one system (even if it was not my favorite) than two systems.
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Maybe I'm doing something wrong also, I use modern and have switched to classic but can't make any sense of it, there also appears to be two different classics.
If I'm reading a post in modern and click to classic I get this

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It says quoting removed so you still don't know who's talking to who.

If I click in classic to start with I had to look back thru 5 pages to find this subject and it looks like this, only it's not turned sideways

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Is this the version of classic your talking about?
If so how do you make since of it
Or is there another version that's no showing up on my computer.

I'm not trying to spread hate, I'm just trying to understand how classic works.
 

For those of you that only use classic here's what modern looks like on my computer

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I usually click on: View post since last visit
This gets me all of the latest post no matter what the subject and looks like this

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If I just want to look a topics I've posted on I click: Veiw your post and get this

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Once I click on the topic it is difficult to tell who's talking to who if it isn't quoted but I can't tell on classic ether and the quoting is removed making it even more difficult.
 
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