Jon f, well?

Russ from MN · Dec 10, 2019

Any update on the well problem? Not a good time to work on a well, I see it's below 0 in MN. There's and old saying "colder than a well diggers heart in January"!

oldsarge · Dec 10, 2019

Don't think the anatomically mentioned part was the heart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Roger Tomfohrde · Dec 10, 2019

If you can get out of the wind it is not so bad. We had a windmill that supplied one farm in southern Minnesota for years and had trouble with the leather seals. The guy said if you keep moving the water temp is the same in the winter as in the summer. He would change the yellow chore gloves when he need to be dry as the pipes coming up were around 50-60 degrees. We pulled that one If I remember right three times one year as various parts would fail and the last time dad had all of it replaced, My brother years later dropped a submersible in and the water was never as good again.

jon f mn · Dec 10, 2019

The consensus is that the pump is shot. The estimates to fix it are $8-1200.00. That is out of the budget now. So for the time being I'm running hose from the house to the barn. I may try to pull it myself when the weather is warmer. A new pump at Menards is $250 and I can afford that. We will see.

kcm.MN · Dec 10, 2019

Jon, what kind of pump? I like Red Lion pumps.

-15F here this morning....a bit too cold for dealing with anything that's wet!

As I've mentioned in other posts, when you pull that pump, it'd be a good idea to add an inline check valve every 100', plus another just above the pump. That keeps all water-hammer effect off of the pump when it cycles off.

Jegs · Dec 10, 2019

Hi Jon, I was wondering about your well too. Sorry to hear the pump is shot, really not good weather to be messin' around with water. With your hose that your using, is it heated or do you just let it trickle? We are well-less with our goats and pigs, run hoses in the summer but in the winter we have heaters in the water and carry buckets from the house. Mornings like today, -10 does your hose keep running? Probably will do a sandpoint next summer with a freezeproof hydrant.

showcrop · Dec 10, 2019

(quoted from post at 09:24:41 12/10/19) Jon, what kind of pump? I like Red Lion pumps.

-15F here this morning....a bit too cold for dealing with anything that's wet!

As I've mentioned in other posts, when you pull that pump, it'd be a good idea to add an inline check valve every 100', plus another just above the pump. That keeps all water-hammer effect off of the pump when it cycles off.

kcm.MN, I am very familiar with water hammer. In my experience it hits in the direction of flow, not behind it. Kind of like inertia, ya know?

ohiojim · Dec 10, 2019

i agree with oldsarge

db4600 · Dec 10, 2019

That seems high! We were in the same boat 11-16-18. We knew it was coming because of the frequency that the pump ran and the hissing at the casing. A new pitless in 5? casing was half of your quoted price. Might pay to shop around. Shop was out of New London/ Willmar.

dzc3 · Dec 10, 2019

Jon if you should decide to pull the well yourself make sure, that you have it properly dogged down so you don't lose it back down the well. If that happens high likelihood you will not be able to retrieve it and will have to have a new well dug. Could you run a waterline underground to the barn?

casecollectorsc · Dec 10, 2019

Pump in my well went bad last January when it was -20. Pulled it myself and bought the identical pump at Menards also. About $200 cheaper than a "friend" could get it for. Cold job out in the open but got it done.

Russ from MN · Dec 10, 2019

Oh, I was under the assumption that everything was on well. I have bought a couple of Menard's submersible pumps, they seem to be fine. A smaller one might last longer in your case as it wouldn't start and stop so much.

37chief · Dec 10, 2019

If I were closer I would come over and help you pull that pump, as I am sure others here would also come to your aid. Stan

aFORDable · Dec 10, 2019

Around here the location of the cold body part is well south of the heart as the saying goes.

Destroked 450 · Dec 10, 2019

Pump size has little to do with the number of times it cycles, size of the pressure tank determines that, a larger pump that puts out more volume will have a shorter run time between cycles.

Russ from MN · Dec 10, 2019

A larger pump will pump more gallons per minute, so it runs a shorter time!

chcase · Dec 10, 2019

Jon,Do you have any information on how deep the pump is hung in the well? Check out the well cap to see if the information is stamped on the cap.Also some drillers stamp the underside of the cap.Wish you were alot closer and we could have a well pump pulling party.Good luck and give a call if you need to.

Destroked 450 · Dec 10, 2019

(quoted from post at 23:07:06 12/10/19) A larger pump will pump more gallons per minute, so it runs a shorter time!

Yes that's what I said, larger pump has a shorter run time but the off time is determined by the size of the pressure tank.
The smaller pump will run longer delivering the same total amount of water, but they'll both be off the same amount of time if they are both connected to the same size pressure tank.
If the larger pump cycles 5 times while filling a container the smaller pump will also cycle 5 times, but it will run longer between cycles, unless it's to small to keep up with the flow, then it could run non stop until the water is turned of.

showcrop · Dec 11, 2019

(quoted from post at 22:34:53 12/10/19)

(quoted from post at 23:07:06 12/10/19) A larger pump will pump more gallons per minute, so it runs a shorter time!

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Yes that's what I said, larger pump has a shorter run time but the off time is determined by the size of the pressure tank.
The smaller pump will run longer delivering the same total amount of water, but they'll both be off the same amount of time if they are both connected to the same size pressure tank.
If the larger pump cycles 5 times while filling a container the smaller pump will also cycle 5 times, but it will run longer between cycles, unless it's to small to keep up with the flow, then it could run non stop until the water is turned of.

2X what destroked said

Russ from MN · Dec 11, 2019

But, If the pump is sized to the application, like when I fill my 250 gallon thank! I run 2 hoses int it, pump produces about 10 gpm, 2 hose put out about 10 gpm, so the pump does not cycle, see my point? Installing a pump that is larger than what you normally needs is silly!

Destroked 450 · Dec 12, 2019

For single use apps what you suggest is good but the average house whole has multi use apps and that's when pressure tank size comes into play.
If I'm flowing 10 gpm filling a tank and the pump is running continuously below cutoff pressure that's fine, but when my shower head is flowing 1.8 gpm I don't want that same 10 gpm pump cycling off and on every 30 seconds because the pressure tank is to small.

In our area wells are deep, one under 200 ft is considered a shallow well.
The minimum recommended water flow to a home is considered to be around 10 gpm so pumps in this area are sized according to hp and stages needed to deliver 10 gpm to the highest elevation the water will be delivered to, there forth the number of times a pump cycles to deliver a given amount of water is determined by the size of the pressure tank, it's size is usually determined by the location and available space for the tank.

showcrop · Dec 12, 2019

(quoted from post at 10:17:31 12/12/19)
For single use apps what you suggest is good but the average house whole has multi use apps and that's when pressure tank size comes into play.
If I'm flowing 10 gpm filling a tank and the pump is running continuously below cutoff pressure that's fine, but when my shower head is flowing 1.8 gpm I don't want that same 10 gpm pump cycling off and on every 30 seconds because the pressure tank is to small.

In our area wells are deep, one under 200 ft is considered a shallow well.
The minimum recommended water flow to a home is considered to be around 10 gpm so pumps in this area are sized according to hp and stages needed to deliver 10 gpm to the highest elevation the water will be delivered to, there forth the number of times a pump cycles to deliver a given amount of water is determined by the size of the pressure tank, it's size is usually determined by the location and available space for the tank.

2X what Destroked 450 said

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