What Ford do I have

Keiths4??? · Oct 25, 2019

Help me confirm please...After months of searching for a tractor on a tight budget I found what I thought as advertised (1968 Ford 4000).
Well it was one of those deals that if I didn t act first then I would have missed out. I have 14 acres so 45hp, front end loader, box blade and a finish mower all for $5K was exactly what I wanted to wind up with. So I took her home the next morning, and started looking for parts by model #...that s when the mystery started....

She looked great cold cranked easily went through the gears, good clutch, PTO Loader ...worked as expected. The steering links and tie rods worn and need replacing. Well first thing the thing was too wide for my trailer when I arrived to look/buy. I had looked at some specs but just generally.
Well when I started looking up serial numbers and such I Think it s a 1988/9 4610! Model: DY354C. Serial: *BB6710_* Engine 126827 8E3. Power steering has 1 pitman arm on left side.
When I look at parts manuals they show one on left & right sides
Thanks in advance Keith

Leroy · Oct 26, 2019

Not sure on 4610 but the 4000 with 28" rear wheels had them on both sides. The 4000 (4100) with 38" wheels had only on left side. Then the flat deck was a row crop avaible with wide and narrow front ends and 38" wheels was a 4000 (4200) and not sure how it was setup. I had a 68 4100 plastic grill and a 65 4100 steel grill. Gas engine and 8 speed.

showcrop · Oct 26, 2019

There are many different models within the 4000 series. The parts manual shows 3-4 with a single arm.

Destroked 450 · Oct 26, 2019

DY354C
DY3 = 4610 orchard model
5 = diesel with horizontal exhaust
4 = ind pto
C = 8x2 trans

Serial number BB6710-- is for a tractor built in 1988

Not sure what style axle a orchard model has but the AP models have one steering arm on the left, SU models have two like the 3610 models

Keiths4??? · Oct 26, 2019

(quoted from post at 19:48:15 10/26/19)
DY354C
DY3 = 4610 orchard model
5 = diesel with horizontal exhaust
4 = ind pto
C = 8x2 trans

Serial number BB6710-- is for a tractor built in 1988

Not sure what style axle a orchard model has but the AP models have one steering arm on the left, SU models have two like the 3610 models

Thank you very much. May be the AP model because of the one pitman arm. I wasn t sure if I was understanding descriptions correctly. It does have the larger rear wheels, next weekend (I work out of town) I ll write down all of the numbers on the rear end. I know it is a 8 speed, same shift pattern as our 5610 at work. I have some work to do to her for sure looks like a rear axel seal on the left. Has some issues with the controller on the front end loader hard to get into bucket tip up position. The throttle lever won t stay in position. I also need to look at the lift/draft levers they don t have tension on them and they drift down, when the tractor is off the hydraulics do hold and don t bleed down.
Again thanks for all of your expertise. What repair manual do you suggest I get?

Keiths4??? · Oct 26, 2019

(reply to post at 16:48:

Will have to go and take a look Thanks for the help

Keiths4??? · Oct 26, 2019

She has the horizontal exhaust and no hole in the top sheet metal fo an exhaust. I need to verify wheel size for sure! Destroked was able to decipher the numbers and I think that helps narrow down what she is. But people swap parts all the time on cars trucks and tractors. I first thought maybe someone had just put the hood off of another tractor stuff happens and gets bent up. Especially with a front loader Thanks

Keiths4??? · Oct 26, 2019

Oh...almost forgot to tell y all but the tag and the stamped numbers did match so it is the original sheet metal on the deck hood. Has the metal screen on the front grill.
I am having to learn how to use this forum...
Thanks

Keiths4??? · Oct 26, 2019

What parts & service manuals do you recommend ??

Destroked 450 · Oct 26, 2019

Interesting tractor!
Farther search shows the 4610 orchard has the same front axle, bolster and steering as a standard AP tractor but has the shorter axle drops and spindles found on the 3930 model as well as 24" rear wheels.
Rear tires look to be the wider 16.9-24's.
It's basically a low profile version of the standard 4610 AP tractor.

I'm not a fan of the 24" wheel and it would be a easy swap to replace them with the more popular 14.9-28 tire and well combo.

Keiths4??? · Oct 26, 2019

Yes you can see why a novice would be so confused. I contacted a New Holland dealer this morning and they are working me up a parts list. They too were surprised when I sent photos and numbers. I think they thought I was pulling their leg until they saw the pictures. I ll keep everyone posted. Where do you find all of this information? Are have you acquired this knowledge over time and experience. When I look at some of the parts lists they are vague without complete information.

Destroked 450 · Oct 26, 2019

My younger brother was the parts manager at our local Ford tractor dealer when your tractor was new, he showed me how to look up parts, your orchard model is identified has 4610O, if a part is special to your model it'll have a listing in the description section.
Your photo also helped, seeing it had the shorter rear tires (4610AP has taller 16.9-30 rear tires) and set level told me it had short front spindles, you said it had single arm steering which is the same as the AP model, when looking at the listing for a AP axle I found a part number for a 4610O spindle. For S&G's I looked up a spindle for a 3930 that also has shorter 28" tires and found the same part number.
I have a set of the short 3930 spindles on one of my tractors.

Keiths4??? · Oct 27, 2019

Wow that is great, thanks for the education and all of the help deciphering this old girl. So by having the nose down I would think that it would pull better. The low profile in an orchard would be a plus for clearance. But I guess the ROPS and top cover were added for sun shade if just plowing/harvest. Curious, Are you a collector, farmer?
We raised cattle and cut hay locally we had a MF 383, 263, and a Ford 3000. Old school Machinist by trade, retired then traveled 2 years. Now a Park Ranger in Texas my job is maintenance. I needed 3 years more with the state to get full retirement so here I am at least I didn t have to go back to the city HOUSTON it s horrendous at age 63 driving there. Thanks stay in touch please

Destroked 450 · Oct 27, 2019

Not really nose down, the shorter spindles along with the smaller rear tire lowers the entire profile of the tractor, this along with the rounded shell fenders and horizontal exhaust makes it easier to maneuver under low limbs in a orchard.
The ROPS looks period correct but the thread plate aluminum canopy is aftermarket and was probably added later, orchard models don't normally have ROPS or loaders, these could have been added later or a farmer may have wanted a 4610 that didn't set as high as the standard AP model, the orchard model would have filled his needs.

Grew up on the farm I live on, my house is 200 ft from the one I was born in.
Spent 30 years herding semis around the country, retired in 08 to raise chickens for a major food supplier as well as expanding our cattle and hay farming business.

Keiths4??? · Oct 30, 2019

(reply to post at 22:02:22 10/27/19)

Thanks on some of your history I understand it feels less like work when it s your own place, our old place kinda calls for me I feel at pease there. You have been so much help to me in figuring out what tractor I have. Well hopefully I have figured out how to get the correct parts ordered.

Well hopefully I have all the parts ordered to get the steering ready to work. It s in need of tie rod ends, drag link, and end link will see how that goes. Once this thing is jacked up I can check out the spindle bushings for wear, and wheel bearings. Sure they need repacked at the very least. You know stuff always breaks at the least convenient time, usually recently after you have told yourself I sure need to fix that.
Keep in touch and I ll do the same.

Keiths4??? · Jan 24, 2020

(quoted from post at 23:02:22 10/27/19)
Not really nose down, the shorter spindles along with the smaller rear tire lowers the entire profile of the tractor, this along with the rounded shell fenders and horizontal exhaust makes it easier to maneuver under low limbs in a orchard.
The ROPS looks period correct but the thread plate aluminum canopy is aftermarket and was probably added later, orchard models don't normally have ROPS or loaders, these could have been added later or a farmer may have wanted a 4610 that didn't set as high as the standard AP model, the orchard model would have filled his needs.

Grew up on the farm I live on, my house is 200 ft from the one I was born in.
Spent 30 years herding semis around the country, retired in 08 to raise chickens for a major food supplier as well as expanding our cattle and hay farming business.

Hope you had a great Christmas and New Years.

I finally got the front end rebuilt it was a mess. The lower thrust bearings all that was left was part of the race and housing I liked to have never gotten them out. The left side I tried everything to get the half moon key out, heating, freezing , and lots of banging. What finally worked was taking a Dremel tool with a thin cut off wheel and slicing straight down the middle, then from the side smashing it together a few taps and out it came.

Next on the list is replacing those center pivot bushings on the axel.

What have you been up too?
Working on any projects now?
I have been watching Auction Time auctions I have seen some really nice antique tractors go cheap maybe in a couple of years I would like to restore one. But my old 66 mustang comes first. I need to go back through the engine and upgrade the transmission I use to race every weekend at the local 1/8 mile drag strip.

Destroked 450 · Jan 24, 2020

Doing well for a 64 year old, having some rotator cuff issues, we'll see how that goes.
Lots of farm projects waiting in line, presently swapping a Ford 3930 engine onto a Farmtrac tractor, all bolted together but have to rework the hydraulic and power steering lines.
Picked up a rare 6600 row crop last year that has some fire damage, already found many of the parts to fix it with.

Got to mount a dump bed on my F-800 and rework a litter spreader before I can get the 6600 in the shop.
Always something to do on a farm.

Never owned a 66 Mustang but had a nice 68 coupe

289 tri power with Comp .600 lift super stock cam, 4 spd with Hurst Ram 4 inline shifter, 9" with 4.56 and Detroit Locker.

Most of my drag racing was off track.
Sold my 64 Fairlane back in the summer to a nephew, with all of the farm projects I wasn't going to have the time or cash to finish it, now I need to figure out what to do with the 406 FE tri power engine, nephew said he didn't want it, was going to keep a small block in the car.

That's the original Cascade Green paint but it needs to bee repainted.
Good talking to you again, take care, got to go feed cows.

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