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I have a rear tire on a massey furgenson back hoe I bought that is toast. I have it jacked up and since the tire is so bad I am going to cut it off. now my questions is it easier to install a new tire with the rim still bolted to the tractor or is it easier with the rim off and all input will be appreciated as I have never done this before. thanks for reading
 
If the tire is to match the other good one, the answer is going to be based on the tread pattern, size, and ply rating. Some industrial tires are so stiff that taking it to town is a best call. Jim
 
Tires that big are best left to the pro's. They can do it faster and safer. Unless you've got experience changing them and the PROPER tools, the little money you'll spend is well worth it.
 
I guess I can be a little blunter than the other post. Makes no difference whether you remove the rim or leave it on the tractor. You are going to cuss either way. If you have no experience doing this you are in for a surprise. The pros will roll up with his tools and make it look easy but to the untrained sure is a chore.
 
Leave the rim on the tractor. If you have never done one, that R-4 tread(most backhoes have) is heavy and stiff. It is not one I would want to start my tire changing career on. My first was an 8-N, and I was in the seventh grade.
 
Many of us could tell you how to do it, and I have done a few myself. When you get into that big heavy stuff as the others have said, get a pro. Have fun helping him and have some soda pop or big glasses of iced tea handy. Will make for an interesting morning or afternoon.
 

The pros leave it on the tractor. If you are going to do it, cutting it off is a good idea. HOWEVER, you can cut the tire off from the bead, but the bead is not going to want to move due to the rust. Just take a cold chisel and cut the bead. It works slick.
 
Oh boy. I have done a couple rear tractor tires but nothing as heavy ply as that must be. You will spend many nights after work fighting with that thing when you could be out making money with the hoe. Hire it done and your first job will pay for it.
 
That is a 6 to one half dozen to the other. Depends on the machine the tire etc. My self I prefer off the machine but I have the tools and other tractors with loader to do the heavy lifting
 

One very big but often overlooked factor in the on or off decision is the positioning of the tire in the rim. In order to get the first bead started over the rim the other side needs to be down in the center low point of the rim. With the wheel vertical the tire beads will drop down in there themselves, while with the rim horizontal, it can be difficult to keep it tucked in there.
 

If the tire is bad enough to warrant just cutting it off, you need to do a very close inspection of the rim. I would think there would be some issues that will require the rim to be removed.
 
I've never understood the fascination with cutting tires off. One time I bought a couple of rims and discovered the seller had cut the tires off, by cutting straight into the bead of the rim, ruining the rims. One time I had to fix a trailer tire that had blown and been run flat until there was nothing but sidewall left. I could NOT get those beads off. I beat and pried and beat and pried for hours. My bead buster was useless. You need the tread for leverage.

In my humble opinion, for the love of God, DO NOT CUT THE TIRES OFF. Remember that your tire guy has tire irons and they have uses other than removing and installing tires...

Also leave the rim on the tractor. It gives you something solid to pry against. You'd be amazed at how much those big heavy tires move around when you're trying to pry on them if they're laying on the ground. You'd think being so heavy they'd stay put, but nope...
 
on that unit have a tire guy do it PERIOD he will have it changed out and be done while you are still figuring out how to do it. I would make sure rim is still save to use
 
Do the construction tire have more plys than a regular farm tire? Ten and 12 ply tires can be tougher to work with than 4 and 6 ply tires of the same size.
 
(quoted from post at 06:06:37 10/01/19) I've never understood the fascination with cutting tires off. One time I bought a couple of rims and discovered the seller had cut the tires off, by cutting straight into the bead of the rim, ruining the rims. One time I had to fix a trailer tire that had blown and been run flat until there was nothing but sidewall left. I could NOT get those beads off. I beat and pried and beat and pried for hours. My bead buster was useless. You need the tread for leverage.

In my humble opinion, for the love of God, DO NOT CUT THE TIRES OFF. Remember that your tire guy has tire irons and they have uses other than removing and installing tires...

Also leave the rim on the tractor. It gives you something solid to pry against. You'd be amazed at how much those big heavy tires move around when you're trying to pry on them if they're laying on the ground. You'd think being so heavy they'd stay put, but nope...
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Barnyard it is not fascination, just common sense. I got a pair of rims once with old junk tires on them. I worked for probably not even ten minutes before I could see that trying to move the beads on the rust was hopeless. It took me under ten minutes for each tire to cut the tire from the bead and 30 seconds each to cut the bead with a cold chisel. When I cut the bead through it popped due to the tension caused by all the rust under it.
 
(quoted from post at 06:17:51 10/01/19) on that unit have a tire guy do it PERIOD he will have it changed out and be done while you are still figuring out how to do it. I would make sure rim is still save to use
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ztr, I think that it is up to pinball to place the period once he has weighed all the opinions that he gets here, along with many factors such his ability to transport the tire and rim, distance to the tire service, cost of a service call, the need for a trip back due to the need to clean and pain the rim etc.
 
Make sure you have the "slack" at the lowest point in the rim .Use a mallet to seat the bead not tire irons [which pinch tubes] . Take deep breaths.
 
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