So...What's Up...?

So Guys & Gals, what's up w/ all the arguing lately on this site? Have the weather, crop conditions and impending harvest taken so much of a toll on our emotional well-being that we can no longer be civil and answer a simple question? Because a "situation" in our personal lives turned out badly, is it OK to assume that ALL others are going to be the same and therefore attack w/o provocation?

Some of us didn't grow up on a farm, using tractors and other equipment. Those of us not well versed, come to forums to learn from those that are. Not knowing about something doesn't make you stupid, it means you're ignorant of knowledge on that subject. It may mean that they don't have enough information about the subject to ask a "properly" phrased question about it. No need to berate them or beat them down.

The lady asking about her father's (3) huge tractors was rudely treated, and not just by the normally rude folks here. I was quite shocked by some of the responses, and even by some of the names responsible for those responses.

I was attacked for "politicking" because I asked if anyone knew where I could buy a part in the "Good Ol' US of A"! Was told I wasn't normal and that I needed to quit practicing "Exceptionalism"! WTH?! I just wanted to save money on freight!

Maybe, just maybe we ALL need to take a deep breath and relax some. If a post offends you, and is not directed @ you specifically, maybe it'd be best to just move on.

Well put Stoneman.

As far as the lady whose dad had 3 tractors, I think there was a perception that she was trying to sell them against his will, and some folks are very sensitive about that (perhaps from having had the same thing happen to them). But I agree that many of the responses to that and other posts are poorly thought out- if you're being critical of someone, please read and re-read your response before posting, so as not to offend unnecessarily.

The best is when someone ask a question
and the poster always puts down everyone's
suggestions saying they have 100s of years
experience! Then why do they even ask?
O well keeps it interesting.

My only personal issue is when someone asks a question that could be answered if they would
only purchase the owners or service manual.

There was once a gentleman that asked what was the head bolt torque for his diesel Oliver,
and got angry with me when I directed him to the service manuals that this site sells.

Maybe, just maybe we ALL need to take a deep breath and relax some. If a post offends you, and is not directed @ you specifically, maybe it'd be best to just move on.



you could have taken your own advice

Ive watched the younger generation nowdays
develope the sell it dont look back no matter
what and that sets me off.
However if she asked my dad and i are curious
what they are worth like all are imvolved ,my
view would been diffrent.
1 family near me was too bold. Their son was
injured bad in a wreck.stepdad n mom were in a
rush to sell his machinery when 90% was in barns.
It was well kept but tad older. Didnt bring
enough and by the time taxes were paid they
basicly gave it all away.

I read the original post, and had nothing to add of
value to the person asking the question, so I didn?t
feel compelled to reply. My own dad has been gone
from this earthly existence now these past 14 years.
And had about 5 years of decline with Alzheimer?s.
It gave him a degree of comfort being able to go out
to the shed and see his old equipment. Climb on a
tractor seat and remember times gone by. During
these times he could retell stories of planting and
harvest seasons from 30-50 years ago. Talk about
folks that were neighbors and relatives that had
passed before I was born, but couldn?t recall his
own age, or what he had for breakfast. It was fun
watching him come to life and relive his past, and
he really enjoyed doing it. And the old tractors and
buildings were the vehicle that could take him there.
We never touch anything till after dad was gone. I
was able to keep some of my dad?s stuff, and I can
almost hear his voice when I see one of his old
tractors. Old junk means different things to different
people.

Like alinark said already on this thread, looks like Stoneman is trying to stir the pot again and get things rolling. Something on page 2
or 3 isn't good enough. I agree that there were some blunt replies but perhaps Stoneman should take a deep breath or two himself. I'm
going to take one myself as soon as I hit the reply button ..... ha!

I text, call,and email several
folks from this site. Many times I
will ask a " dumb" question and
one or more of them will contact
me directly instead of putting an
answer on here. Too many rude
responses at times on here. Still
my favorite go-to place for
information. Some folks just seem
happier if they are miserable or
making others miserable...just
human nature to drag others to
your level.. ....... momma always
said " if you can't say something
nice ,don't say anything". Still
good advice, even if it's our
right to be rude! I refuse to let a couple grumpy old farts ruin a great forum.

The decisions and language we use immediately after two busted knuckles, or waiting for a tax assessor to send a report. Is not the same as one
made when things are reasonable and predictable. Effort builds community. Jim

(quoted from post at 06:28:44 09/02/19) Maybe, just maybe we ALL need to take a deep breath and relax some. If a post offends you, and is not directed @ you specifically, maybe it'd be best to just move on.



you could have taken your own advice

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And that's what was meant by ALL. I'm also following my own advice in responding as this was directed @ me specifically.

But, thanks for proving my point.

(quoted from post at 06:57:36 09/02/19) Like alinark said already on this thread, looks like Stoneman is trying to stir the pot again and get things rolling. Something on page 2
or 3 isn't good enough. I agree that there were some blunt replies but perhaps Stoneman should take a deep breath or two himself. I'm
going to take one myself as soon as I hit the reply button ..... ha!

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Nope, not trying to stir any pot. Just don't see any reason to be a horse's butt.

I respect your feelings on the matter though. Ha!!

Agreed!

Comes and goes. This is a well governed forum but it is still not for the thin skinned. If it gets too bad it will naturally take care of itself. While I don't care for or respond to personal attacks, I move on and leave it behind. Won't remember who said or did what a few weeks from now. Just saying though, I prefer a blunt, to the point response that helps me learn and get the job done than one that protects my feelings and tells me nothing. I come here for knowledge first...society is just a bonus. Live to learn.

Bruce from Can. I don't know much about all the fuss here. I guess I missed some of the posts. I read what you posted here about your Dad.It reminds me so much of what I went through with my own Dad. Dad has been gone 17 years, and also had alzheimers. Dad was living in the past, and could not remember much of the present every day happenings. more than once we had drive around looking for the cattle that were out. Didn't find any cattle, then things were ok. I have some of his tractors still parked, where he parked them years ago. I guess I should do something with them, but for now they are not in the way. So many memories. Stan

As Littlepint says, "well put Stoneman." gm

We need to check our feelings at the door when coming on sites like this. Yes, there are people that provide plenty of aggravation in my life but I set that aside when
coming on boards such as this one. There are going to be the rare days when something just comes to the surface but hopefully very infrequently. As to the thread
yesterday there were a few that were unnecessarily rude and perhaps by today they regret how they approached things. We don't need to be throwing things in their face
but instead lets lead by positive example.

This thread will work to remind everybody that it takes no more effort to be pleasant than be miserable. If you are not being called out by name then best to leave your life
issues to yourself unless you want your laundry out in the open for everybody to see.

You're right Shame on the Big Boys for being so rough on us Snowflakes.

There was some advice about the "etiquette" of posting here, stating to act as if in mixed company. That is good advice because one might be a little more reserved about what they say vs being so comfortable to not hold back. We've seen both ends of the spectrum over the years and it surely makes work for the moderator(s) to clean it up. All a person has to do is show a little respect to the forum and the manner in which they use it. We get drawn into a discussion, are compelled to respond and may do so in a tone and with content you may regret or want to change after the fact. Easy thing to do, usually a mistake, though some will be stubborn and say I meant every word of it LOL ! Myself included, though I generally avoid the majority of posts that get heated, there are always a few that attract my attention, making it understandable how things can perpetuate in a bad direction.

This place provides a wonderful opportunity to exhibit and practice writing skills. I try to remember that first, seems to help stay out of trouble LOL.

I think I started reading in '99, can only find a post that goes back to '04, but know I posted in '02, my how the time flies.
There has always been ups and downs in regards to petty bickering and unsuitable content deemed by the moderator(s) but the good always prevails.

One of the best attributes is the composite variety of backgrounds that forum participants have. Sure farming and similar are very popular, and as much as I really enjoy subjects and posts of the daily affairs, trials and tribulations with equipment repairs when under a deadline to get something done, that does not give anyone a right to better themselves over a city dwelling tractor collector who enjoys the content here just as much as anyone else. We have seen that conflict repeatedly here at times.

It's the general knowledge of all that participate here combined with the willingness to share that knowledge to anyone who asks, that defines the utmost generosity of the people here. Look through the archives and count the instances of generosity and compare to content less than that, people know how to be good to each other and that is one of the most transparent and admirable traits seen in all the forums here.

Personally, and even if a real jerk, I'm going to try to see the good in you, well unless of course you are just completely and undeniably evil LOL !!!!

One man's rude is another man's direct.

Sheesh.
All this time I thought the denizens of
this place were a bunch of old guys.
It surprises me that you ladies know so
much about tractors.

Because people are stupid and lazy. Most everybody has been on the internet at least 20-25 years by now, so there is a pretty good chance whatever question you may have it's already been answered multiple times by now. A simple search would yield multiple varied responses, but people are too stupid or lazy to do that. Just like ads on Craigslist that only have the zip code, people type a response wanting to know location? Just open a new tab, type in XXXXX zip code, and in less than 5 seconds you have an answer.

Hey lumpie, I wouldn?t go calling people stupid and lazy. This forum should be where a newbie or a veteran can ask a question about their tractor without the smarta$$ replies some of y?all make. If you can?t reply to someone?s post with a legitimate or constructive helpful reply then you shouldn?t comment at all. I see it regularly and it?s a turnoff to me and others with some of the wise cracks. As a matter of fact there?s another forum about antique tractors I?ve been looking into here lately that?s caught my attention without all the negativity, so play nice !

If I offended you, well, sucks to be you I guess. That's what's wrong with our society. Everybody gets butthurt so easy. I've been called many bad things on this forum, and in life in general, just for speaking my mind and for what I believe in. Doesn't bother me in the least bit. I don't live in a world of rainbows and unicorns, just cold, hard reality.

Wow!!! Took 48 years to find out I'm lazy and stupid! Big day for me! Lol.

Hey Lump, Apparently you fell off the tractor the Golden Rule was taught.

You haven?t offended me, I know your type, all talk and full of crap. But I?d help you any time you need it if you asked for help and I knew the answer. If I don?t know the answer I can assure you I wont post a smart@$$ comment.

Opinions are like butt h*les, we all have one, but seems to be more b---hole than good opinions.

Thankfully I must've missed something