Champion sparkplugs 1 step above nothing

r.w.b. · Aug 3, 2019

My case 411b ran so so after carburator cleaning,valve setting points gapping timing set.installed some 3116 autolites much better now. When did autolite changebto this shiny finish?

Champions look nasty as always

pete 23 · Aug 3, 2019

That D-16 Champion was obsolete in the 70's. Parts stores just don't seem to get it.

r.w.b. · Aug 3, 2019

Nope,they were in it when i bought it.must have humongus supply they are hoping to get rid of

Steve@Advance · Aug 3, 2019

In our global society, who knows what you will get or where it comes from.

Brand names are commonly sold and traded, sometimes it changes the mfg, sometimes it doesn't.

Manufacturing processes are constantly changing, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse. One thing for sure though, profit is the determining factor.

It's surprising anyone even makes some of the old, near obsolete plugs. Think of the space a line that specializes in making that size plug takes up in a factory. How often is it run? No way it produces any profit for the company. Think about the thousands of spark plug designs out there over the last 100+ years! Not just automotive, but industrial, recreational, lawn equipment, aircraft, military, boiler igniters, flame sensors...

I suspect the Champions are still produced on original equipment, thus the unchanging appearance. But the Autolites, they have either upgraded to new equipment, or have outsourced them to another company.

Which is the best? Who knows...

Gambles · Aug 3, 2019

Fram and Autolite have been changing ownership lately, as recently as March of this year when they were purchased by Trico.
So in reality, the factory where your plugs were made could have been anyplace that they could use to save them a few bucks.
Speaking of, what country were your Autolites made?

37chief · Aug 3, 2019

Your tractor may be running a little rich, from the looks of the plugs. Stan

Charlie M · Aug 3, 2019

Your Champions are useless as you put it because they are too cold a plug for today's gas. Its not the plugs fault.

rcgrey · Aug 3, 2019

I agree I have used D18Y champion plugs in all our case tractors from 1939 DC to 1959 800B along with a couple farmalls with absolutly no problems. why would I change? just my experiance. JIM

Goose · Aug 3, 2019

I've found that regardless of the brand, it helps to run the plugs at least one step hotter.

BTW, I have an M Farmall that doesn't like Autolites. Runs great on Champions.

gab · Aug 3, 2019

My Farmalls run fine on Champion D21s. Your plugs are too cold or mixture is too rich.

Bob · Aug 3, 2019

(quoted from post at 15:57:00 08/03/19) Your Champions are useless as you put it because they are too cold a plug for today's gas. Its not the plugs fault.

"Charlie" partially "nailed it".

Champion spark plugs are just fine, but "needing a hotter plug for today's gas" is pure unsubstantiated male bovine excrement.

The actual truth is that "back in the day", tractors WORKED for a living, long hot days of "pulling their guts out", which limited how "hot" of a sparkplug you could use without causing "detonation", and blowing a hole in a piston.

With few exceptions, there's very few old tractors today that experience that sort of "balls to the wall" work for 8 or 12 hour days, which explains why sparkplugs that worked perfectly well in working tractors foul in lightly used tractors that put around or "parade queens".

(Please don't shoot the messenger for telling it like it was/is!)

2x4 · Aug 4, 2019

they don't call'em "Chumpions" for nothing.

MarkB_MI · Aug 4, 2019

Unless you change something, those Autolites will soon be just as fouled. Either you're burning oil, running too rich, or both.

r.w.b. · Aug 4, 2019

The carb is ok,if i shut gas down anymore it aint gonna run at all.just for s n g i switched them with my 312.started 312 it slobbered and dogged .put the autolites from 312 in 411b it smoothed out. Years back i put new set of champions in our 52 A jd.it finally started but wouldnt pull itself.got a couple autolites and it fired first turn,.
As for that fouling you see the plug has to fire good or it will be black

Ozlander · Aug 4, 2019

You took a picture of plugs that have been in a engine maybe 10 - 15 years that needs an overhaul and call them bad.
Plugs that have been working all the time?

Lets see a picture of the new plugs in five years.

dr sportster · Aug 4, 2019

The plugs don't foul the engine -- the engine fouls the plugs .

timcasbolt · Aug 4, 2019

(quoted from post at 07:44:11 08/04/19) they don't call'em "Chumpions" for nothing.

Who are "they"?

buickanddeere · Aug 4, 2019

(quoted from post at 16:57:00 08/03/19) Your Champions are useless as you put it because they are too cold a plug for today's gas. Its not the plugs fault.

It s not today s gas, plugs stay cleaner due to the removal of tetraethyl lead.
The problem is that today has tractors are puttered around with instead of being brought up to full temperature by working .

buickanddeere · Aug 4, 2019

First and foremost , avoid resistor plugs . Don t let Bubba at the parts counter substitute 388 Autolites instead of 3116 plugs .

r.w.b. · Aug 4, 2019

As for plug age the last owner left ticket in tool box 4 new champion d 16, 1 set points condenser totaled $21. Something, dated 4 months before i got it,points look new too.
Ive never had a goid champion in years.
They had chance to clean up chopping tall fescue last week never did. Tomorrow it can cut some more with autolite plugs.
As for brand i got a set of bosch in my vac thats been in it many years .id bought more but none in stock where i buy at.
The parts people say we sell champions we like them cause dried in wool champion guys buy more than autolite users

Leroy · Aug 5, 2019

Used 2 or was it 3 numbers hotter plug all day plowing and never detonation or piston problems. And Champions new plugs morning, clean at noon. clean again at supprt time. next day repeat , second day repeat again, 3rd day same thing. 2 tractors trying to plow side by side in same field. same problem. Got TSC's own brand at that time and never touched them for years. And doing the same work. A C just about as bad. A day and they would be dead as well. Go to different brand and never have to touch them again. If was engine problems fouling them out the change of brands would not have stoped that.

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