Rim looks fine

grandpa Love · Jul 23, 2019

So they put a new tube in it.!! Now, I had broke the old terrible tire down that came on this 8n and put a good used one on it. The rim had a nice wide piece of tube around it and several rounds of duct tape. I ran my hand around it and it was fairly smooth. Tire shop pulled all the tape off. Found this hole and told me it looks fine. Any idea why they said I could break it down and clean it up myself?!?! Lol. I got a good laugh out of it. Will fix it tomorrow!! Sad I didn't look closer when I swapped em out. Previous owner did a great job on the tape!

David G · Jul 23, 2019

That is scrap.

coshoo · Jul 23, 2019

Nope, its a fire ring for weenie roasts with the grandkids.

john in la · Jul 23, 2019

I'm thinking the tire guy figured you were the one that put the tape in there.
If you wanted to rig it in the past just let you take it home a rig it some more.
Little to no chance of selling a new rim to a guy that would put tape on the old one to make it work.

Bob · Jul 23, 2019

(quoted from post at 21:03:11 07/23/19) That is scrap.

The "RIM" looks reasonably OK, it's the thin sheetmetal "band" over the "dropped" area that is rusted out.

LOTS of info on the 'net on how guys have repaired them.

GOOGLE "Ford Hat rim repair".

Stephen Newell · Jul 23, 2019

Might stuff a block of treated wood in there before the tape.

Frank 41 · Jul 23, 2019

Is that one of those that were good when last ran??

SVcummins · Jul 23, 2019

SDE · Jul 23, 2019

Give it the ring test. Lightly strike it with a hammer. If it rings, repair it. If it is a dull thunk type of sound, replace.

old · Jul 23, 2019

I've fixed at least 100 rim like that and counting and have fixed many that I was told could not be fixed and many are still being used today. That one is an easy fix just lay a piece if flat stock over the area weld it on and then coat with truck bed liner spray. BTDT over 100 times and counting

M-MAN · Jul 24, 2019

Always amazes me the lengths a patch artist will go to to get out of doing something right. That rim is junk. Sure it can be patched and the next hole that rusts through and ruins another tube. Problem is those tubes cost. The downtime costs. The labor for do overs cost. And it's still junk. Had the previous owner bothered to throw it away and spend a hundred bucks on a new rim you both would have saved a bunch of money and agrivation. I had the same junk on my old 851. New rim $100 each at NH. No more new tubes or trips carrying it in for another patch job. And best of all no more agrivation from the do overs.

JOCCO · Jul 24, 2019

I would lean toward new rim. I am betting a plain Jane 8n rim new is not to bad money wise.

JOCCO · Jul 24, 2019

You have just echoed my thoughts from watching this stuff for a lifetime. Well said.

larry@stinescorner · Jul 24, 2019

will one of these work?
wheel from y/t

showcrop · Jul 24, 2019

I was talking with the tech at GCR Tire with whom I am pretty friendly as he went to school with my son, and he told me about another friend who at the time was big into Farmalls, who would patch rims with duct tape, just to get a couple more hundred out of a tractor. Some people sell out pretty cheap.

RobCons · Jul 24, 2019

JB Weld. Thats my story and I'm sticking to it.

showcrop · Jul 24, 2019

The decision maker here is a slag hammer. Hit it good and hard in the area of the hole and then work out on both sides. You will soon find out where you get into good strong steel and whether you need to replace ten inches or thirty.

Traditional Farmer · Jul 24, 2019

New rim for sure you have already wasted enough time and money to buy a new rim,no sense in buying two rims and still have the old piece of junk.

Stephen Newell · Jul 24, 2019

What if the hammer goes through?

Leroy · Jul 24, 2019

I cannot tell from picture if that hole is in the rim itself or just the hat band on inside of rim. Either way junk. It could probably be salvaged if that is all that is bad by sandblasting to good metal and cutting out the bad and welding in new but as easy as new is to get not worth trying to save unless it is the 32" rim for a show tractor. The hat band does like to have the edges rust but will still work fine if wraped with that duct tape and that as long as you do not have to remove tire again that duct tape will still be good after 30+ years. A good tire shop will always clean any rim before mounting a tire. If it looks too bad for that they will not mount the tire untill they have called you to come and look at it and then give you what they think your good options would be. If needing paint only will send it home with you to do that and bring it back for mounting. If small rust out send you to a welder to have repaired and then have you do the paint of if too far gone will tell you that you need a new rim. But they will not just remount a tire on a questionable rim without you being shown the problem and only mount if you say go ahead.

Crazy Horse · Jul 24, 2019

Well, after reading about this problem for I think three days now (and replying at least twice myself), all I can say is (if the discussion ever stops) .... RIP !!!

David G · Jul 24, 2019

It is all what is your time worth, I would guess Grandpa could earn way more doing work than fixing that rim.

old · Jul 24, 2019

That is a 30 minute or so fix. Plus if the tire place had not removed the duct tape the problem would not be a problem

Bob · Jul 24, 2019

(quoted from post at 10:51:05 07/24/19) It is all what is your time worth, I would guess Grandpa could earn way more doing work than fixing that rim.

The reason some "waste" their time repairing the OEM "hat" rims is for originality.

The rims being sold now aren't the "hat' style, and simply have lugs spot welded to the rim.

There have been numerous posts on here that some of the "lug-style" rims sold today require a touch-up with a grinder in the lug area to fit properly against the center "disc".

So if the rim is solid there is at least SOME rationality in tack-welding a new sheet metal band over the "drop" area.

paul · Jul 24, 2019

Hadn?t followed this issue the past couple days.

Not very familiar with these rims, N rims I believe?

When I saw the pic I dismissed it as a totally shot and dangerous rim, far too eaten up to patch in.

Reading more, and looking at the pic closer.....

Do these rims have a groove bent in there, and this is a rather flimsy piece placed over the groove to keep the tube in place? So it?s not really the strong rim that is shot, but a laid in piece?

Makes a difference, one I hadn?t contemplated at first glance.

I certainly understand saving original parts vs ?will fit? replacements that lose the original look of a machine.

Paul

Bob · Jul 24, 2019

(quoted from post at 12:44:55 07/24/19) Hadn?t followed this issue the past couple days.

Not very familiar with these rims, N rims I believe?

When I saw the pic I dismissed it as a totally shot and dangerous rim, far too eaten up to patch in.

Reading more, and looking at the pic closer.....

Do these rims have a groove bent in there, and this is a rather flimsy piece placed over the groove to keep the tube in place? So it?s not really the strong rim that is shot, but a laid in piece?

Makes a difference, one I hadn?t contemplated at first glance.

I certainly understand saving original parts vs ?will fit? replacements that lose the original look of a machine.

Paul

"Do these rims have a groove bent in there, and this is a rather flimsy piece placed over the groove to keep the tube in place?"

YES, that's exactly how it is, and typically the thin sheet metal "cover" over the groove rusts away long before the actual rim does.

old · Jul 24, 2019

There called hat rims. They have a sort of box that goes all the way around the inside of the rim part where it has 6 bolt hole to bolt it to the center piece of the tractor rear axle. Inside the hat area is covered by a flat strip of metal that is thin and tends to rust out and open up the hat area which is what has happen to this one. I have replaced the flat piece on many rims over the years

Bill in IL · Jul 24, 2019

I am very suprised they even aired that thing up the way it is.

I am all for fixing rims but I really think you should replace that one. Maybe the rust is localized but that hole will probably be 2 times larger if you find good steel to weld to.

Leroy · Jul 24, 2019

If it is the hat part just remove it and have a welder replace with a new band.

Rim looks fine

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