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Do you strap down your tractor, mower,utv ect when hauling inside an enclosed stock trailer? I haul my gator with sprayer and my deere zero turn to the other farms to mow and spray, ya I'll admit I never strap them!
 
In a livestock trailer the only reason I can think of for strapping it down is to keep it from tumbling around in the trailer if the trailer overturns.
 
You?ll have to consult the ytdot handbook for that ! Section 23456789 paragraphs 12345 through 5678322 hauling equipment in a vessel not designed to haul such you get into all kinds of violations if Barney ketch?s you
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Of course then you?ll be brought before the judge Pyle
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Think about it like this. If you're involved in an accident, the piece of equipment you're hauling will probably have far more momentum than the walls of the typical enclosed trailer will stop. This means that piece of equipment could potentially land on another vehicle, or the cab your sitting in.

Worse take the cab clean off along with your head. I recently talked to a guy who does big rig accident cleanups. He saw the produce that one rig was carrying in a semi trailer do just that.

Unfortunately things like boxes of produce, etc, can only be secured so much due to the number of boxes, etc, so you take your chances hauling them. On the other hand, a piece of equipment can be secured to where it stays put, so why chance it?
 
Yes, because I have seen too many machines move when they were tied down,and I never trust parking brakes.
 
I see landscapers do that all the time. In a crash, everything is thrown everywhere. Strap or chain it down.
 
(quoted from post at 18:59:25 07/20/19) Do you strap down your tractor, mower,utv ect when hauling inside an enclosed stock trailer?
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No stock trailer, but have an enclosed trailer. For me, answer is always YES!, Strap it down.

I added floor anchor points all inside the floor of my trailer. They go not only through the wood floor, but also through steel frame, plus have additional steel for reinforcement. Also used Grade 8 bolts.
 
Stock trailers have a lot more support built into the walls than most other trailers a couple bulls or a wild cow would go right through the average inclosed trailer
 
At work one year for our safety meeting there was a dot officer that came in and talked about stuff. One of the guys asked If a skid loader needs to be tied down in a dump trailer. It?s a 16 foot with 2 foot sides. You see them everywhere. He said no because it won?t roll off because of the sides!! Asked about what happens in a roll over. Then asked about if the park break fails and it rolls back taking tongue weight off. He got mad and started telling us all his credentials and that he is the law and what he says is correct!! I gave him a yea right! Lost a lot of respect for some of them from that day! Don?t get me wrong there?s a lot of good officers out there but when you find a bad one he?s bad!
 
In another thread, I mentioned how building code is "[i:3ebf7c6cc2][b:3ebf7c6cc2]minimum[/b:3ebf7c6cc2] acceptable[/i:3ebf7c6cc2]". Same here. The safety officer did in your meeting what I did in that electrical thread. Yes, 15A wire can connect to 20A wire -- meaning, it can be done and "can" be safe under the right circumstances. What I "should" have said was, if he has to ask that question worded that way, he shouldn't be messing with the wiring.

The safety officer (I believe) was likely doing the same thing; giving a superficial answer. While correct, it only applied to everything happening in a normal manner, without regard to abnormal circumstances.

I didn't used to give superficial answers. Seems that's about all I do anymore.
 
Yes. I have a enclosed utility trailer that I was hauling my quad bike with a spryer on it. I was to lazy to strap it down. I drove 5 miles and when I opened the trailer the quad was sideways in the trailer. From then on everything is strapped downed when ever I tow it.

OTJ
 
No such thing as too secure.

I remember seeing the aftermath of a crash on I-75. Apparently a roll of steel was being transported in an enclosed van trailer. The roll must have broken free and rolled right through the doors at the back of the trailer, and was struck by a car following the trailer. The driver survived, but there was nothing left of his car forward of the firewall.
 
Two stories. A landscaper I know had his mowers strapped down in his trailer, his guys were working at a house parked the truck at the top of a hill. The truck rolled, went across the street into someones yard and hit a tree, about 100 yards. Mowers still went through the front of the trailer.
I read an account of a runaway tractor trailer hitting the Durango Silverton train engine. Box trailer was loaded with potatoes, at impact potatoes went through the roof of the trailer, scattered everwhere. Residents didn't have to buy potatoes for a while. I would strap it down.
 

Well, considering that probably 90% of the freight that is on the roads in van trailers and dump trucks at a given time is not strapped down, and that a stock trailer has sides that are designed and built to hold a load far heavier than a lawn mower, I would not worry about it provided that I was confident in my brake. HOWEVER, I am not talking about anything bigger that a sub-compact tractor, and I am not talking about your average utility trailer either. Just a little common sense here. This is why the DOT inspector told the group that tie downs are not needed in the case of the dump trailer, because even though the skid steer could conceivably roll out in an upset, they know that it will most likely have slowed a lot before it rolls. One needs to keep in mind that YTDOT regs are much more rigorous than real DOT regs.
 

Anyone who doesn't strap or chain equipment down no matter what it is being hauled in or on is a fool plain and simple.

There is another word that would more accurately describe such a person.
 
I would strap them down to prevent movement. Be my luck they would jiggle around, get tangled up with each other, and be completly sideways when I opened the door.
 
(quoted from post at 04:35:27 07/21/19)
Anyone who doesn't strap or chain equipment down no matter what it is being hauled in or on is a fool plain and simple.

There is another word that would more accurately describe such a person.
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Congratulations Clarence, You are now qualified to be a YTDOT inspector and receive 500 pads of 100 summons each for your enforcement pleasure!
 
You think i would get 10 tickets for not straping down 10 steers weighing 1500 lbs each?
 
(quoted from post at 00:24:15 07/21/19) At work one year for our safety meeting there was a dot officer that came in and talked about stuff. One of the guys asked If a skid loader needs to be tied down in a dump trailer. It?s a 16 foot with 2 foot sides. You see them everywhere. He said no because it won?t roll off because of the sides!! Asked about what happens in a roll over. Then asked about if the park break fails and it rolls back taking tongue weight off. He got mad and started telling us all his credentials and that he is the law and what he says is correct!! I gave him a yea right! Lost a lot of respect for some of them from that day! Don?t get me wrong there?s a lot of good officers out there but when you find a bad one he?s bad!
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I don't know what kind of "DOT"officer this was, where or when, but I can assure you he was wrong. The FMCSR covers pretty much everything you can come up with, but it all comes down to making sure things that can move, don't. OTOH, people do love to tell takes of how they made the stupid DOT guy look like an idiot. I take it all with a grain of salt.
 
A few years ago at an auction at Florence ky i saw a guy load a ford tractor into a livestock trailer. The drive going out was angled up hill. As the guy pulled out of the drive the tractor broke through the trailer doors, rolled through the parking lot and crashed into a swimming pool display at a store next door to the auction office.
 

ONLY because I do not want to beat up the walls of the trailer or the equipment. Doubt there is a law about it though. Freight companies do not tie down freight in a trailer.
 
(quoted from post at 13:28:01 07/21/19)
ONLY because I do not want to beat up the walls of the trailer or the equipment. Doubt there is a law about it though. Freight companies do not tie down freight in a trailer.
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Actually, yes, there are laws on securement inside a box trailer. Of course people never see that, but there are rules on it. It's been too long for me to try and offer specifics, but depending on what is hauled, there are rules. Paper rolls come to mind.
 
(quoted from post at 05:20:55 07/23/19)
(quoted from post at 13:28:01 07/21/19)
ONLY because I do not want to beat up the walls of the trailer or the equipment. Doubt there is a law about it though. Freight companies do not tie down freight in a trailer.
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Actually, yes, there are laws on securement inside a box trailer. Of course people never see that, but there are rules on it. It's been too long for me to try and offer specifics, but depending on what is hauled, there are rules. Paper rolls come to mind.
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Brett, I know that I am getting close to acting as YTDOT here, but from my years of operating a trucking company, in general, freight is considered to be secured by other freight around it. If the load is packed tightly, there is no need for any other securement. Palletized wrapped freight is considered to be secured by other freight around it provided that the pallets are put in in a "crossed" pattern so that there is only an inch or two between. This is how my inbound product came in. If there are voids it needs to be filled with "dunnage" such as pallets on edge or cardboard. Once you get away from stacked and wrapped, the freight does need to be secured and there are rules for various different types of freight. So, WRT to the OP, technically the tractor needs to be secured, but anyone with a little common sense can see that given the size of the tractor and the construction of the trailer, that requiring securing of it would be similar to requiring gravel in a dump body to be secured.
 
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