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Kory1998

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I have a farmall 656 and was changing rear tire out and when I went to jack tractor up axle shaft move up or down a little was leaking a little hydraulic fluid but had been stained like that since I bought tractor. How much end play or is their suppose to be any end play I know the John Deere final drives dang near don t have any end play or at least that what I got told. I am assuming the seal is out , cause when I jack it up or let it down once the axle shaft moves it presses against seal and oozes out hydraulic fluid. I m just worried I have a loose bearing that will eat out the housing.
 
Your seal may be out, but sounds like a
bearing is loose or out to. Can't tell
you numbers wise what it can be, but if
you have that much, I would say too much.
 

Kory, why are you shouting out to tractor vet? You had better not be planning to load 90,000 lbs on a trailer and pull it with that 656 up and over 20% grade mountain road with a school full of kids in it on the curve at the bottom!!
 
Up and down is not end play. End play is in and out on your axle. You have bearing or axle problems which causes the
seal to leak because the axle is moving radially.
 

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A bad seal is the least of your problems. Sounds like it"s bearing replacement time. There are two bearings, inner and outer. And if this tractor has been used any amount of time in this condition another problem is trying to remove the fines from the transmission case/rear end case. I write from experience. Good luck...
 
Yep ya got a bearing problem and or loose bull gear . To remove the rear axle ya drain the rear end , remove the PTO to get to the retaining bolt , remove the tire and wheel off the axle , use of a cherry picker or loader is a huge plus due to the weight and be careful . Remove the axle and housing as one unit and again a cherry picker is helpful as it will be heavy. Ya let the bull gear drop off once on the ground remove the outter cap and then stand the housing and axle up and give it a couple bounces on the axle end and the housing will drop off the axle . Getting the outer bearing off can at times be fun with out a press or a puller , check for abnormal ware in the housing .
 
do you have a problem with me . There are somethings that i know and I H tractors and trucking are things i am good at and as far as a mere 90 grand that ain't nothing that was a daily light load . And i have put more miles on the road then you ever will with no chargeables and only two speeding tickets . we will not discuss overloads.
 
The tractor vet , the ytdot officers on this board get mighty upset when you try tell them they really don?t know what they are talking about. yet the biggest loads most of them haul is a lawn mower on a single axle trailer behind there ?full-size? Chevy Colorado and some aren?t smart enough for that and they think the rest of us are on the same level
 
(quoted from post at 08:04:59 04/27/19) do you have a problem with me . There are somethings that i know and I H tractors and trucking are things i am good at and as far as a mere 90 grand that ain't nothing that was a daily light load . And i have put more miles on the road then you ever will with no chargeables and only two speeding tickets . we will not discuss overloads.
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Tractor vet, don't take yourself so seriously, I was just yankin' yer chain. Sure 90,000 can be legal a legal load but not a good idea behind a 656, LOL. And I have never had a chargeable accident, at least while driving a truck, the only speeding ticket was bogus and put on file for six months after I plead not guilty. I have never been caught with an overload, and once when I had a level B top to bottom hour long inspection I got a CVSA sticker. How's that?
 
(quoted from post at 08:04:59 04/27/19) do you have a problem with me . There are somethings that i know and I H tractors and trucking are things i am good at and as far as a mere 90 grand that ain't nothing that was a daily light load . And i have put more miles on the road then you ever will with no chargeables and only two speeding tickets . we will not discuss overloads.
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Tractor vet, don't take yourself so seriously, I was just yankin' yer chain. Sure 90,000 can be legal a legal load but not a good idea behind a 656, LOL. And I have never had a chargeable accident, at least while driving a truck, the only speeding ticket was bogus and put on file for six months after I plead not guilty. I have never been caught with an overload, and once when I had a level B top to bottom hour long inspection I got a CVSA sticker. How's that?
 
Really , Been at the heavy haul since i was a pup and started on a low boy way back in 63 . I dove the mid size lowboy outfit and would move loads to 100000 lbs , my boss who trained me ran the big truck and moved load on up over 200000 lbs. I was 17 when i started and the truck driving was a necessary evil part of my job to move the tonka toys from one job to the next . i WOULD MOVE MOST OF THE BIG DOZER, PANS AND SOME OF THE SHOVEL/CRANES . Small stuff like D7 class and down went on the 35 ton lowboys and were pulled with the Whites i drove the Mack , my boss ran the BIG AutoCar . Never drove that one . When i moved up from mowing grass cleaning the offices and shop when i turned 16 the owner of the company handed me a Class D operating engineers book and the keys to my own company truck It was a new 1963 Ford F 350 4x4 cab and chassis in company colors red body white roof black interior 352 four speed 4.10 gear My boss and i built the bed for it and was somewhat the first service bed as ya just did not go to the store and buy one back then . I had a 250 amp HOBART pto driven welder running off the pto off the transmission and a gardner denver air compressor running off the transfer case that was large enough to run two 90 Lb jack hammers We built the two fuel tanks and a water tank made a place for a 55 gal. drum of engine oil, a keg of grease a keg of 90 weight and a 55 gal drum of hyd oil;Then made up tool boxes and i carried the new to us portable track pin press and portapowers up to 100 ton The owner bought all the tools that at the time the Mac tools offered p to 1 inch drive and wrenches up to 2 1/2 inch Yep i also worked on the equipment i could weld as well as our welders could and had a set of Airco torches Welding rod wise i had 6010 6011 6013 7018 and 308 stainless . Then Old John my boss and i sorta spiced up my new truck with a 4 bbl carb and dual exhausts . IN the dirt moving months i was out on the jobs where ever in the winter months my days were spent in school till noon then to the shop and do what even , maybe rebuilding a engine , working on the finals on a dozer installing new steering clutches and brakes , might spend days welding up rollers and idlers or putting new sprocket rings on maybe welding on grouser stock on tracks half day five days a week and a full day on Saturday . When the frost came out of the ground till school was out i worked on jobs close . The one year me and another young guy We dug basements on a new allotment started on one side and dug to the end of the street installing the sewer lines and the water line into the basement and go to it I ran the shovel and jim did the hand work and kept me on grade , two afternoons to a basement with a 22 B Bucyres powered by a 4 71 Detroit . Got to the far end and worked our way back to the other . Then moved the D4 over and started back filling same way Loved the work . did this till 66 when i got drafted .
 
(quoted from post at 19:52:01 04/27/19) Really , Been at the heavy haul since i was a pup and started on a low boy way back in 63 . I dove the mid size lowboy outfit and would move loads to 100000 lbs , my boss who trained me ran the big truck and moved load on up over 200000 lbs. I was 17 when i started and the truck driving was a necessary evil part of my job to move the tonka toys from one job to the next . i WOULD MOVE MOST OF THE BIG DOZER, PANS AND SOME OF THE SHOVEL/CRANES . Small stuff like D7 class and down went on the 35 ton lowboys and were pulled with the Whites i drove the Mack , my boss ran the BIG AutoCar . Never drove that one . When i moved up from mowing grass cleaning the offices and shop when i turned 16 the owner of the company handed me a Class D operating engineers book and the keys to my own company truck It was a new 1963 Ford F 350 4x4 cab and chassis in company colors red body white roof black interior 352 four speed 4.10 gear My boss and i built the bed for it and was somewhat the first service bed as ya just did not go to the store and buy one back then . I had a 250 amp HOBART pto driven welder running off the pto off the transmission and a gardner denver air compressor running off the transfer case that was large enough to run two 90 Lb jack hammers We built the two fuel tanks and a water tank made a place for a 55 gal. drum of engine oil, a keg of grease a keg of 90 weight and a 55 gal drum of hyd oil;Then made up tool boxes and i carried the new to us portable track pin press and portapowers up to 100 ton The owner bought all the tools that at the time the Mac tools offered p to 1 inch drive and wrenches up to 2 1/2 inch Yep i also worked on the equipment i could weld as well as our welders could and had a set of Airco torches Welding rod wise i had 6010 6011 6013 7018 and 308 stainless . Then Old John my boss and i sorta spiced up my new truck with a 4 bbl carb and dual exhausts . IN the dirt moving months i was out on the jobs where ever in the winter months my days were spent in school till noon then to the shop and do what even , maybe rebuilding a engine , working on the finals on a dozer installing new steering clutches and brakes , might spend days welding up rollers and idlers or putting new sprocket rings on maybe welding on grouser stock on tracks half day five days a week and a full day on Saturday . When the frost came out of the ground till school was out i worked on jobs close . The one year me and another young guy We dug basements on a new allotment started on one side and dug to the end of the street installing the sewer lines and the water line into the basement and go to it I ran the shovel and jim did the hand work and kept me on grade , two afternoons to a basement with a 22 B Bucyres powered by a 4 71 Detroit . Got to the far end and worked our way back to the other . Then moved the D4 over and started back filling same way Loved the work . did this till 66 when i got drafted .
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Too bad you hadn't encountered a paragraph or two along the way.
 
(quoted from post at 10:31:19 04/28/19)
(quoted from post at 19:52:01 04/27/19) Really , Been at the heavy haul since i was a pup and started on a low boy way back in 63 . I dove the mid size lowboy outfit and would move loads to 100000 lbs , my boss who trained me ran the big truck and moved load on up over 200000 lbs. I was 17 when i started and the truck driving was a necessary evil part of my job to move the tonka toys from one job to the next . i WOULD MOVE MOST OF THE BIG DOZER, PANS AND SOME OF THE SHOVEL/CRANES . Small stuff like D7 class and down went on the 35 ton lowboys and were pulled with the Whites i drove the Mack , my boss ran the BIG AutoCar . Never drove that one . When i moved up from mowing grass cleaning the offices and shop when i turned 16 the owner of the company handed me a Class D operating engineers book and the keys to my own company truck It was a new 1963 Ford F 350 4x4 cab and chassis in company colors red body white roof black interior 352 four speed 4.10 gear My boss and i built the bed for it and was somewhat the first service bed as ya just did not go to the store and buy one back then . I had a 250 amp HOBART pto driven welder running off the pto off the transmission and a gardner denver air compressor running off the transfer case that was large enough to run two 90 Lb jack hammers We built the two fuel tanks and a water tank made a place for a 55 gal. drum of engine oil, a keg of grease a keg of 90 weight and a 55 gal drum of hyd oil;Then made up tool boxes and i carried the new to us portable track pin press and portapowers up to 100 ton The owner bought all the tools that at the time the Mac tools offered p to 1 inch drive and wrenches up to 2 1/2 inch Yep i also worked on the equipment i could weld as well as our welders could and had a set of Airco torches Welding rod wise i had 6010 6011 6013 7018 and 308 stainless . Then Old John my boss and i sorta spiced up my new truck with a 4 bbl carb and dual exhausts . IN the dirt moving months i was out on the jobs where ever in the winter months my days were spent in school till noon then to the shop and do what even , maybe rebuilding a engine , working on the finals on a dozer installing new steering clutches and brakes , might spend days welding up rollers and idlers or putting new sprocket rings on maybe welding on grouser stock on tracks half day five days a week and a full day on Saturday . When the frost came out of the ground till school was out i worked on jobs close . The one year me and another young guy We dug basements on a new allotment started on one side and dug to the end of the street installing the sewer lines and the water line into the basement and go to it I ran the shovel and jim did the hand work and kept me on grade , two afternoons to a basement with a 22 B Bucyres powered by a 4 71 Detroit . Got to the far end and worked our way back to the other . Then moved the D4 over and started back filling same way Loved the work . did this till 66 when i got drafted .
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Too bad you hadn't encountered a paragraph or two along the way.
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But Clarence, we're here for the entertainment, right?
 
Still needs the shims adjusted if it has them to fit the bearing clearance for the end play this will clean up the vertical movement also.
 
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