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I wouldn?t use straps on an excavator or backhoe but for hauling a tractor straps are fine,,been doing it with straps for 30+ years, YT Police may not like it but that?s the way I do it and my loads are always secure. When I used to own a backhoe I always chained it down.
john in la
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3 and 4 inch straps have a WLL of over 5000 lbs. That puts it better than 5/16 and not quite as good as 3/8 grade 70 chairs.
The thing you need to watch with straps is sharp corners cutting them. Simple common sense should take care of that.
The thing you need to watch with straps is sharp corners cutting them. Simple common sense should take care of that.
kcm.MN
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The problem with straps comes when there's an accident. While the heavy straps can handle large stresses, they fail very quickly when Asphalt Burn enters the picture. Have an exposed part of the webbing rub the pavement and it simply cannot last as long as steel can.
When we had our accident a few years back, the trailer rolled only one time. Nearly everything on the load was still in its original position, but the load had slid a few inches. Everything on top was crushed, which is actually the only way we knew the trailer rolled. Every single strap on there was ruined, including a 4" strap. One chain was in a position to touch the road and some of the links got ground almost halfway through, but held. My little Pasquali tractor was ruined.
I have no problem using straps on a load. They're lightweight and easy to work with. But when the load 'hits' the road, you simply cannot beat chains!
When we had our accident a few years back, the trailer rolled only one time. Nearly everything on the load was still in its original position, but the load had slid a few inches. Everything on top was crushed, which is actually the only way we knew the trailer rolled. Every single strap on there was ruined, including a 4" strap. One chain was in a position to touch the road and some of the links got ground almost halfway through, but held. My little Pasquali tractor was ruined.
I have no problem using straps on a load. They're lightweight and easy to work with. But when the load 'hits' the road, you simply cannot beat chains!
kcm.MN
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Where'd the acid come from??
Personally, I don't know of too many folks that carry around effective amounts of such steel-eating acid that would cause that kind of problem. ....Then again, I don't know very many folks! *lol*
Personally, I don't know of too many folks that carry around effective amounts of such steel-eating acid that would cause that kind of problem. ....Then again, I don't know very many folks! *lol*
Crazy Horse
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Showcrop ..... well for sure you are not a chain guy, hopefully you didn't spend too many of your early years on a chain gang (LOL).
Seriously though, you said a chain will dissolve in acid ..... you mean like there is an accident and the chain falls in a pool of acid
somehow and within an hour or two the chain dissolves? Hmmm, I think that might be stretching things a bit.
Seriously though, you said a chain will dissolve in acid ..... you mean like there is an accident and the chain falls in a pool of acid
somehow and within an hour or two the chain dissolves? Hmmm, I think that might be stretching things a bit.
showcrop
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Well Crazy Horse I know that it is unlikely that there would be acid there, but of all the accidents where a load may come loose, in how many of those that you see does the trailer roll over? And of those where the trailer rolls over how many involve the trailer sliding? and of those where the trailer slides, how many is the chain on the bottom so that it would be what the load is sliding on? I think that acid on the ground is just as likely.
caterpillar guy
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I don't know where the 500 is more than a 5/16th's chain. 5/16th's G-70 chain is rated at 5400 and 3/8th's is 6600 Now of course all that doesn't mean a thing if you hook it to a 2500 attachment location on the trailer. Then it is all for nought.
Straps work well for some things and not so well for others. I have found that straps work somewhat like a sling shot band . This lets things move around even though they are tied down. Things can wiggle and shift some. Maybe not enough to matter in some cases. Though if tied down with chain it does not have that sling shot effect, so it tends to stay in place. Tractors with their weight tend to shift, and bounce with straps, in my past experience. Versus chains holding steady.
I have loaded enough tractors and equipment over the last 40 years with about 15-20 of it in over the road transportation which gets watched at scales as you go through, along with every cop that passes you on the road. I have also seen the results of things tied down with straps over sharp, and not so sharp edges as they cut the strap. And now it is just setting there till you stop and put a chain on it. Thus the reason it is said hold iron with iron.
Straps work well for some things and not so well for others. I have found that straps work somewhat like a sling shot band . This lets things move around even though they are tied down. Things can wiggle and shift some. Maybe not enough to matter in some cases. Though if tied down with chain it does not have that sling shot effect, so it tends to stay in place. Tractors with their weight tend to shift, and bounce with straps, in my past experience. Versus chains holding steady.
I have loaded enough tractors and equipment over the last 40 years with about 15-20 of it in over the road transportation which gets watched at scales as you go through, along with every cop that passes you on the road. I have also seen the results of things tied down with straps over sharp, and not so sharp edges as they cut the strap. And now it is just setting there till you stop and put a chain on it. Thus the reason it is said hold iron with iron.
I'm not going to disagree with you , here comes the BUT, the not stretching thing is a double edge sword I was passing a flatbed in wy. on the interstate we crossed a rough bridge his flatbed bounced a chain broke and the full length of it shot up in the air and across my hood shattering the windshield, in the end all was well but it could have been ugly, sometimes a little give is a good thing , just my 2 cents
showcrop
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Caterpillar guy, no one should be using rubber straps, they need to be nylon and rated for the load. The correct strap will stretch no more than a correct chain. A chain that is too weak for the load can stretch too. I have seen chains that were stretched so that they were straight and rigid.
Crazy Horse
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OK Showcrop, all possible of course but how long would a chain have to be submerged in an acid bath to dissolve? I have no idea but I just
don't think it's a possibility to happen in the first place. Superman used to encounter kryptonite but it seldom happened.
don't think it's a possibility to happen in the first place. Superman used to encounter kryptonite but it seldom happened.
ditchwitch
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Ive been reading your comments and everybody elses about chains and laughing. Personally i dont care for straps there to risky. Sharp edges
cut cloth not steel. I have hauled equipment sense i was 21 actually before and 59 now. I have never experienced anything like yall say on
here. Yes i have seen a chain break but it wasnt because it was pulled down with a load binder nor i dont think anybody here has the A$$ to
pull a chain binder on anything and stretch a chain mush less break it. If your stretching and breaking chains your obviously doing something
wrong or just dont know what you are doing . Im not meaning you personally. And the landing in acid .Now how often Really is that a
snowballs chance in he!! even happening. Thats got to be like the chances of winning the lottery. And actually so what if the chain melted
that means the load is upside down anyways and it would more that likely have to be unloaded to flip back over anyways. And the guy that said
he puts 2 chains on the front and 2 straps on the back of a 8N and a strap over the bucket. All i can say is WOW. I would hate to see what it
took for him to lock down a little 39 Komatsu dozer .
cut cloth not steel. I have hauled equipment sense i was 21 actually before and 59 now. I have never experienced anything like yall say on
here. Yes i have seen a chain break but it wasnt because it was pulled down with a load binder nor i dont think anybody here has the A$$ to
pull a chain binder on anything and stretch a chain mush less break it. If your stretching and breaking chains your obviously doing something
wrong or just dont know what you are doing . Im not meaning you personally. And the landing in acid .Now how often Really is that a
snowballs chance in he!! even happening. Thats got to be like the chances of winning the lottery. And actually so what if the chain melted
that means the load is upside down anyways and it would more that likely have to be unloaded to flip back over anyways. And the guy that said
he puts 2 chains on the front and 2 straps on the back of a 8N and a strap over the bucket. All i can say is WOW. I would hate to see what it
took for him to lock down a little 39 Komatsu dozer .
showcrop
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Well Crazy Horse I know that it would take a long time for the acid to dissolve a chain, but it is just as likely as an accident where a trailer rolls over, and where the trailer rolls over and then slides, and then when the trailer slides, the strap on the bottom is in just the right place for the load to hold it down on the pavement and then slide enough to wear it through. Its like saying that a chain can never wear through or break because you have a force field around it, like my son used to say when he was six.
caterpillar guy
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Showcrop I never said anything about rubber straps. Not tarping it.
Nylon straps will in fact stretch some as you go down the road. I have watched them and more straps was not an option as I couldn't get a place to put them on. I use 4 inch wide ones when I can and they will not hold as well as a chain. I've had about 300-350 foot pounds of leverage on the winch. Based on weight and length of bar.
I treat straps as something to use on soft stuff you don't want to scratch up or damage, while on the truck.
Nylon straps will in fact stretch some as you go down the road. I have watched them and more straps was not an option as I couldn't get a place to put them on. I use 4 inch wide ones when I can and they will not hold as well as a chain. I've had about 300-350 foot pounds of leverage on the winch. Based on weight and length of bar.
I treat straps as something to use on soft stuff you don't want to scratch up or damage, while on the truck.
the tractor vet
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Ya want to haul IRON then it take IRON to haul it , straps have there place in transportation but NOT hauling IRON . Yes i am and old fart and believe in CHAINS for hauling tractors, combines, dozers. track hoe's. back hoe, tillage equipment ,steel . I will use the strap for crated stuff , plastic pipe , hay and straw , I will use the Strap over tarps to help hold the tarps on . Yes i have had chains break on loads on RGN's due to trailer flex since with them it is like hauling on a leaf spring . I have had G 70 chains break in a panic stop before . I also have had straps break due to the load swell in the heat of the day as with large poly tanks , one can not beleive how much they will GROW in the sun on a hot day . With well over fifty years of hauling i have seen a lot and done a lot .
Steel for steel not straps. I've watched loads shift and 4" straps parted like paper.The load came off and the truck rolled. Saw a roll of steel loaded suicide strapped down company told driver the customer demanded the use of straps so as not to nick steel. That was the last load he hauled, totaled truck. Company said oh well trucks insured there is more drivers.
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