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john in la

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What part of in La do you not understand
Due to the excessive amount of rain you northerners (people above Vicksburg Mississippi) have been having the Mississippi river is about to hit flood stage (17 feet above sea level) in New Orleans in the next few days. Because of this the Corp has decided to open one of our spillways to relieve the pressure on the levee system.

And the worse part is the snow up there has not even started to melt.
So while you guys may be praying for a quick warm up of spring.
We will be praying for a slow and gradual warm up.

While we can handle a lot of river water because of our spillway system but you northerners (people above Vicksburg Mississippi) may be looking at some major flooding this year.
 
Your right it?s too early for these high river levels.would?nt surprise me if they opened the Morganza spillway too.the achafalaya river will crest around March 20th at Morgan city.2 ft above flood stage.subject to change
 
I was born and raised at the confluence of the Ohio and Mississippi rivers. You just get used to the threat of flood. When I was a kid we looked forward to flood season. It got us out of school to fill sandbags.
 
Minnesota River was high all year last year, closed some low roads twice which are supposed to be 25 year flood plain.

Now we have deep snow and the next week we go below zero temps more than above 20 degrees. With a few more inches of snow too.

Anything can happen, but most likely we will either melt late and fast and create a lot of town flooding, or we won?t thaw out until mid May and planting real late and very wet.

Either is a bad deal.

It?s been very wet for 3 years now.

Paul
 
We live in western Ky. The river has closed the road to cross the Ohio river at Cairo, Ill. River to crest at 56.5 ft on Sunday. TV said this is the 5th largest crest recorded. My son has to drive an hour and a half to work. Trip normally is about 20 to 25 minutes. Highway 51 to possibly reopen on the 6th.
 
You might have a long year of too much water down that way. Just took a look at the Missouri River dam levels. They are just about full. There is big snow out in the mountains. Not sure what they are planning to do with the spring run off?
 
It is what it is.............no one can control the weather, no one can control the snow melt.....no one can control the flooding.....no one can control the speculation....on the Ohio, the Missouri, the Mississippi, or any other.We all just need to wait and see. Been that way since time immemorial...
 
I would like to see some of that climate change I am tired of ice and snow makes feeding cows a mayor pain
 
Very true.

But, we gotta talk/ gossip about something, weather is kind of at the forefront around these parts of late!

Neighbors and I were discussing, we vote for the quick early melt and lots of flooding, will get us in the field earlier and the town folk can sandbag.....

But only because, votes don?t count and so it doesn?t matter what we think. Just have to wait and see.

Local town says they have the sand bags in storage, ready to come out. They put in a big berm a few years ago to help the lowest area of town. That of course, makes the river slower and higher for others, and so the problems always grow......

Paul
 
Another thing you guys down south need to be aware of. We got cold, pretty cold then we got snow. What that translates to is 4-6 feet of frost in the ground and lots of ice on the rivers. Then the snow. Lots of it. So little if any of the melt will soak in, most will run off. The snow will insulate the ground so the frost won't come out till the snow is gone.

I'm about 50/50. 50 miles east of the Red that flows north into Canada and 50 miles west of the Mississippi. Just a couple of miles off the divide. Got a creek here on the farm. About 200 yards from where I sit right now. It flows through a couple of lakes and then the Otter Tail river and then into the Red.

What to expect? Ice jams are going to create some problems especially when they let go and the melt? Well both Grand Forks (MN and ND) and Fargo are bracing for serious flooding yet again. If we get a fast thaw we can expect "overland" flooding again. Still the folks downstream can expect a lot of water one way or another. And we can still expect more snow before this ends.

So the next question is for you southerners in the flood planes? How long can you tread water?

Seriously, good luck. Hope everything works out and there are no serious problems.

Rick
 
C'mon John, you've been around long enough to know that when the Ol' Mississippi decides to swell, best thing you can do is grab a cane pole or two. Shouldn't have any problem finding worms - they'll be coming out of the ground to escape the water. :wink:
 
Its more a case of water running off quicker most likely.A lot of parking lots and roadways that used to absorb water now runs it off, every field that has been tiled to drain off
quickly adds to the water supply.Plus levees are artificial boundaries and sooner or later nature will knock down anything that seeks to contain it.
 
The Mississippi floods every year and Lake Meade continues to go down. I wonder when we will figure out that taking water from where we have too much and putting it where we have too little is money better spent than Bullet Trains to nowhere.
 
You know you've got serious problems when the river level is above sea level.

Some things are just not long term tenable.

Dean
 
All river levels are above sea level. That is what makes them flow to the sea.

The problem is when the land is below sea level. People thought Katrina was bad. Let a river levee break

But us below Vicksburg can handle the water with our spillway system so we will not flood. It?s those above Vicksburg that will have problems.
 
But we can control where things are built. Why are building permits still issued where it is known it will flood again in the near future?
 
You are so wrong-90% of the people think like you- when you have tile spaced right it makes the ground like a big sponge- when it rains the water soaks in and is released slowly. If there is no tile the ground is already saturated and the water runs off.---Tee--co-owner of D-J Tiling
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That'd be true if the ground was dry to start with but by this time of year most ground has soaked up all the water it can handle,water on the surface usually is slow to flow especially on flat ground but the tile makes a channel for the water to drain out quickly.If it didn't there would be no point in tiling in the first place.
 
There was a study a few years back to look at pumping water over the devide It got real political.
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Seems I remember a similar idea to get water to Southern California from elsewhere. The idea flopped. California couldn't figure out how to attach a 'Proposition 65' warning label to the flowing water. *lol*

(sorry, couldn't resist :wink: )
 
Like I said-Tile makes the ground like a sponge-slow release. Think of what you are saying---Tee
 
Apparently you don't understand how they work and their limitations.Drop a sponge in a 5 gal bucket of water by your theory the sponge no matter how small would absorb all the water.Do you think that will happen?
 
They might need it for real look at how much of a Dead Zone the pollution in the Mississippi has caused where it dumps into the Gulf,people in the West really want to use that water to drink and and irrigate with?
 
Ok-take that sponge out and squeeze it-almost all the water is out of it--Now take it out and lay it on the floor--see how slow the water runs out of it--Pretty simple---Tee
 
And kinda like this.

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Thankfully 2/3 of my farm doesn't flood. That is my farmstead in the center of the second picture taken from the road a mile downstream.

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Sorry, misstatement.

Problems exist when river level is above level of surrounding terrain.

Dean
 
Hey John an old farmer said the Mississippi river is not much good. He said it was too muddy to drink and too thin to plow, . Old Scovy.
 
(quoted from post at 07:03:09 02/27/19) There was a study a few years back to look at pumping water over the devide It got real political.
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I heard about several projects tossed around back in the late 80s. There was talk of 100s of billions of $$$ back then to move water from somewhere near Memphis to around Gallup NM where it could flow into the CO basin. Ar, OK, and TX were not supposed to take any from the flow. Of course, those states didn't like that plan, and by the time the water intended for AZ and CA was fleshed out, the states in between had sucked it dry. I can only imagine what it would cost today. That's a lot of pumping.
 
Around here the tile wont run till the creeks drop. I have seen water shoot out of a crawdad hole that was near a tile! BTW what is that ugly red thing? You say your a Deere guy but all ever see is case ,Oliver's and that red contraption.
 
So you're saying that people go to all the trouble and expense to tile fields so their fields will hold more water longer.Do you think anyone is going to believe that non sense?
 
I think a running garden hose from Mississippi river to Californian and have a politician suck on the
hose should lower the river to a safe level.
 
Texas kicked around the idea. Don't know how far it got. May still come to pass with all the growth we are having. Infrastructure is taxed to the limit. Couple of years ago they put in a $300 Mil 3 foot diameter pipeline from Lake Texoma (89,000 surface) acres between Tx. and Ok. and diverted the water to Lake Lavon in the Dallas area. Really needed that.

May have been an option when the Mighty Miss idea was being kicked around and more feasible.
 
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