1941 Ford 9N, 5-bolt vs 6-bolt wheels

wpmiller9887 · Feb 26, 2019

Hi All,

I just obtained a project 1941 Ford 9N tractor and it came with a 16" rim with 5 bolts. The OEM would have 19" rim with 6 bolts. I want to switch over to 19" rim. Any advice on what I need to buy in order to make the switch, if it is more than just the Hub and Bolt Assembly (9N1104A3 or 8N1104).

The tractor came with two front shredded tire - makes it hard for me to move it around. For the time being, I just wanted to get an used or cheap tires placed on the 16" rim, so it can be rolled around my shop during the restoration project. I don't want to buy the 19" rims and tires just yet - cannot buy everything right now. Any advise on which cheap or used tires to get? It came with Firestone 6.50-16 ("Gum Dipped") - all torn up.

Royse · Feb 26, 2019

OEM would have been 19 inch five bolt with the wide pattern.
The 5 bolt wide pattern, 16 inch rims are kind of hard to find.
If you're using it in soft dirt, the 16 inchers are easier to steer.
On had surfaces, the 19 inchers are easier to steer.

Here's a pair of 16 inch, 5 bolt wide pattern and the 8N style 6 bolt.

Rich'sToys · Feb 26, 2019

If all you want is something to roll it around the shop on, I would think any tire shop or garage would have some used 16" scabs lying around. All you want is something that holds air--car ties, truck tires, wagon tires, it shouldn't make any difference if I'm understanding you correctly.
If you plan on using it afterward with those tires, that would be another story.

Roger in Iowa · Feb 26, 2019

Might try a motorcycle shop for some used 16"??

Mike M · Feb 26, 2019

Remove the tires from the rims you have. It will move around the shop easily on the rims only. Just rolling around that light tractor will not hurt anything. I once drove a JD A on a bare rear rim around the gravel driveway and it did not hurt the rim at all.

wpmiller9887 · Feb 26, 2019

Awesome answers, thank you. Are you saying 16" with 5 bolt is a rare rim? The top photo with red background is exactly what I have.

Are the openings between the 16" rim and the 19" rim the same size? In other words, do they share the same Hub and Bolt assembly?

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Steve@Advance · Feb 26, 2019

"Please advise on how to maneuver the forum"

If you are in "Classic View", look toward the upper right, click on "Modern View".

Then there will be several click boxes, one is "Search". That will let you search old posts.

Tony292 · Feb 26, 2019

(quoted from post at 15:45:19 02/26/19) Awesome answers, thank you. Are you saying 16" with 5 bolt is a rare rim? The top photo with red background is exactly what I have.

Are the openings between the 16" rim and the 19" rim the same size? In other words, do they share the same Hub and Bolt assembly?

I am new to this forum and have problems navigating it. Since I have an account, why cannot I easily find my history postings, so I can go back and find them? I forgot to check the box to get email notification for this posting, so I didn't know the answers were coming in. Please advise on how to maneuver the forum. Thanks!

Yes the 16s with a 5 bolt pattern are rare.. Many people like them because you can just throw a set of used 16s from an old farm truck they have laying around. I have 16s with the 3 rib tires in the front of mine but when they are done I’ll throw a set of old 16 inch mudgrips I have off an old farm truck. No need to keep buying new ones since I have 2 trucks that run 16s I can just use the old ones for the tractor. 16 inch truck tires also have good load rating usually like a load range E being common.

The issue is this:

for the 16s rims are rare and tires plentiful.

For the 19s rims are more common and tire choices are few.

Duner Wi · Feb 26, 2019

For your needs T155 90 15 temporary spares would work fine.
Junk yards and swap meets would be a place to look. $1 to $5.00 each. $10.00 if you are desperate.
Motorcycle tires work too but they are usually worn out. You can get them for free at a tire dealer.
16" AND 19" rims have the same bolt pattern as shown in the top photo.

wpmiller9887 · Feb 26, 2019

Ahh, I am not Classic enough to enjoy that, I am a Modern Man! Thanks so much for this much-needed help, makes a whole lot difference.

wpmiller9887 · Feb 26, 2019

Excellent, thank you! I went to tire stores, but they dont carry 16", but I will check out motorcycle dealers.

wpmiller9887 · Feb 26, 2019

Thanks Tony!

wpmiller9887 · Feb 26, 2019

T155 90 15 - you mean T155 90 16 ? Thanks!

Royse · Feb 26, 2019

"Are the openings between the 16" rim and the 19" rim the same size? In other words, do they share the same Hub and Bolt assembly? "

They made the wide 5 pattern in both 16 and 19. Both fit the same hubs.
They also made the 6 bolt pattern in both 16 and 19. Those both fit 8N style hubs.
The 8N hubs with the 6 bolt patter will fit on a 9N/2N if that makes it easier for you.
Many standard 6 bolt implement rims fit these hubs.

Side note - Ford made a wide 5 pattern for cars too. 1936-ish. Ford Deluxe IIRC
That bolt pattern is NOT the same as the tractor hub but can be made to fit by drilling
new holes in the hubs or, the car hubs can be swapped on in place of the tractor hubs.

wpmiller9887 · Feb 26, 2019

T155 90 15 - you mean T155 90 16 ? Thanks!

Duner Wi · Feb 26, 2019

Yes 16, not 15. Sorry . I should proof read better.

wpmiller9887 · Feb 26, 2019

Got it, thanks!

Leroy · Feb 26, 2019

The 41 that is a 9N Had the 19" as orignal along with the 2N and most 8N. The 16" is a way beter handling tire than the 19". Dad bought the 44 2N new in May of 44 and as sone as the 16" wheel became avaible he put them on and it has had them ever since. A few years ago I bought a 41 9N and it had the 19" on. I converted it over to the car hub and rim and it steered 100% better. I have those 19" wheels and tires but do not ever plan on putting them back on. Manly hanging on to them in case somebody else gets it and wants it orignal I have them. I sold the 19" with orignall 1944 tires several years ago and it was to somebody that wanted to make a trailer queen with orignal tires. He did not care if the cords were showing. And a 6:00x16" triple rib should be easy to find as for every tractor that takes the 19" there are a hundred that takes the 16".

wpmiller9887 · Feb 26, 2019

wpmiller9887 · Feb 26, 2019

That's my front tire and rim.

Hobo,NC · Feb 26, 2019

If its gonna be a look'er put 19's on it if a worker by all means keep the 16's...

Royse · Feb 26, 2019

"If its gonna be a look'er put 19's on it if a worker by all means keep the 16's"

That sounds like a pretty good summary to me.
Those also look like the original 9N/2N 16's in his picture.
I wouldn't call them rare, but they're not real easy to find in good shape.
Easier sometimes to swap to 8N hubs and use the 8N 16's.

wpmiller9887 · Feb 26, 2019

I have a Ford 3600 that will be used for farming. The 9N is going to be a looker and a "play" tractor, not really will use it for plowing my field. I was looking for a 3600 front end loader attachment (still looking!), but came across the 9N in the ad. The owner was in a hurry to sell the 9N since they were moving to another state. I offer $400 and they declined. A few days before the move, they asked if I was interested. SOLD at $400. I plan to take everything apart, restore and paint to original.

wpmiller9887 · Feb 26, 2019

However, I don't want to paint it battleship gray, I want it to look more like the 8N Red Belly.

Rich'sToys · Feb 26, 2019

(quoted from post at 17:45:19 02/26/19)

I am new to this forum and have problems navigating it. Since I have an account, why cannot I easily find my history postings, so I can go back and find them? I forgot to check the box to get email notification for this posting, so I didn't know the answers were coming in. Please advise on how to maneuver the forum. Thanks!

On modern view you can go to any post you have made. Then click on "profile" in the lower left corner. When your profile comes up there will be an option to see all your posts. Just click on that.

You're better off on modern view.

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