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grandpa Love

grandpa Love

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Oliver 77. Old tire off, not a terrible job. Old tube still holding air. New tire here. Rim was rusty so I cleaned it up with a wire wheel on a drill and a flappy sanding disk on a grinder. Got some pitting around bead seat area. Now the question......the guy I got the tire through says I don't need a tube. Just get bead sealer and mount it. Sent me home with a couple of valve stems. Claims to have an 8n with pitted rims and he didn't use tubes. This guy's farm has a ton of equipment and they do all their own tire work, so I guess he knows what he is talking about......what do y'all say?
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Several coats of primer. Looks pretty good.
 
I doubt those are tubeless tires or rims ? I'd sure use a tube ! I like to sandblast and paint rims when I get them down that far.
 
I put tubes in the rears of my Allis B and they were brand new tires on brand new rims. $50 tube is a small price of insurance to eliminate hours of frustration trying to get a tire to stay sealed (or worse, ruining a new tire b/c it went flat and sat unnoticed for too long).
 
(quoted from post at 16:25:00 02/12/19) You had a ways more to go in my opinion working on smoothing the rim down and no way a bead is going to seat air tight on that rim.
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greed. All traces of rust needed to be removed. Sometimes I use a 4" disk grinder.
 
Last new tractor came here in 99. Came with radials ( love them). Before it left dealer he broke them down and installed tubes and fluid. Avoid the frustration and buy the tubes!
 
Grandpa, I vote for a tube. That is a lot of pitting on the edge. Sounds like you got the rust problem solved.
If it was mine, I would put a tube.
Richard
 
Grandpa if I may; 1. Use a tube, now is the time to do it. Shop around on line if price is issue. 2. On that rim either coat it with a rim jelly, rim guard or some such. Or get a roll of duck tape and wrap it. What this will do is stop any rust from working loose and cut the tube. Also will help feather any rough spots.
 
I don't have a sand blaster but I do have a steam cleaner. I think that the rust from the fluid can be deep into the rim. So I like to spend a little extra time steaming a rim after the sander and wire brush. Then I like to stiff brush a real good coat of Red oxide primer on the rim. Gotta make sure that primer is dry before you mount the tire with a tube in it. I hate it when I see an old tractor that has rear tires with very little wear but are no good because they went flat 4 years ago.
 
If old tube is not leaking then reuse it, probably a better tube than a new one that?s made overseas. Definitely put a tube in it.....
 
If the valve stem still looks good and it was holding air, I would just wipe the tube off and reuse it. From the picture the tube still looks ok. I wouldn't put the tire back on without a tube in it.
 
I vote tubeless, with about a gallon of salt water added into the tire.

Keep the economy going, and besides, what else ya got to do?
 
Use old tube and problem solved. As for the tape We have some tires dad had a guy do , he used tape and the tape came loose. Just paint it let dry good them sprinkle some talcum powder on it to stick to the rim on the new paint then put together.
 
you cleaned that rim??? not very good then. I get them a lot better looking than that. have even sand blasted some. then I prime them before mounting tire. use the old tube if its still looking good or get a new one. tubeless will never work! dont think that guy knows what he is talking about. bead sealer? does he goop them up with silicone?
 
That picture was taken after a quick wire brushing. I sent it to the guy I bought tire from. He still thinks it would work. I cleaned it for hours after that picture. I will be using a tube!
 
Dumb question:
After the major rust is cleaned off the inside of the rim, would painting the clean surface with a rust stopper paint, like phosphoric acid paint, cut down on future rusting and create a smoother surface for a tube to contact, or will a primer do the same job?
 

Grandpa, since none of the other responders read all three of your posts none of them have the information needed to answer your question. Yes, there is a big difference between tube and tubeless tires. the bead edge of a tubeless tire tapers out to a feather edge which enables it to follow and seal to irregularities on the rim bead surface. A tube type tire is rounded at the bead edge so it can't seal without a tube. Since you have put all that work into making the bead surface good and smooth you will have no problem getting and keeping a good seal mounted tubeless.
 
So it's possible that the tire I
bought is a tubeless? Could be why
the guy I bought it through was
sure I didn't need a tube? The
plot thickens........
 
Just plain old common sense tells you that a good seal is needed between the rubber and metal of the rim never mind what someone has said they have done. How can you have a good seal with pitted metal and rubber you sure don't do it on your car so why would it work on a tractor tire
 
This guy's farm has a ton of equipment and they do all their own tire work, so I guess he knows what he is talking about......what do y'all say?

If you believe that the GUY is giving you good advice, then why are you questioning it????
 
When I put better tires on a M5-diesel, I got the wheels off the tractor and got the tires off the wheels and then had the wheels powdercoated silver. Then reassembled with tubes no filler.
 
The only way i would go tubless is the tire had tubless on the casing. I ruined a good tube type tire going tubless. It did last about 3 years before a huge bulge came out on the side wall.
 
(quoted from post at 20:20:09 02/12/19) So it's possible that the tire I
bought is a tubeless? Could be why
the guy I bought it through was
sure I didn't need a tube? The
plot thickens........
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No, Grandpa, it is not POSSIBLE that the tire that you bought is tubeless it is nearly 100% PROBABLE! It is hard to find tube type tires anymore. As westga said you can easily verify it by looking at the sidewall.
 

Unless you are one who really enjoys breaking down tires I wouldn't attempt it. The rims pictured
& the best bead sealer on earth will have issues in a Short time.
 
Well as I type this my brother in law RIGHT now is struggling with ice on roof and backing up and has major leaks all over inside of their home...He put the new roof on few years back and did it CHEAP...LOL

Your choice.. im not one who tells anyone what to do. just know what I'd do..

side note also replaced all tubes in skidloader when I installed new tires.. tubes were all good that I took out but dont know how old, etc..worth it to me as i dont want to remove and install one of those or any of those 4 10 ply dires again..
 
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