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super99

super99

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I'm looking for a ton dually to pull gooseneck trailer to haul tractors with. My 3/4 ton just isn't quite enough truck for what I'm doing. I have been looking for some time and have a question. I see Chevy 3500 and Ford F350 trucks with single wheels on back.I want duals to carry the weight better than a single. On these trucks, can you just buy dual rims and change them, or are the hubs different and would require changing axles or hubs to get duals on it? I don't plan to haul a lot, so I'm not interested in a diesel engine and want an older truck. I saw a 2000 F350 box truck with low miles cheap, thinking about buying that and take box off and put on a flatbed and gooseneck hitch. Chris
 
Most salvage yards have a computer data base that maybe able to get the info you need. If a F 350 had the option of single or dual wheels, then the frame should be the same. If it is then you should be able to buy a dual wheel axle and springs from the bone yard and put it under that other truck. If the price is right, you can do just about anything and still justify it. Then again, I have been watching to many auto restoration shows. Some people have too much money.
 
You can't put dual directly on single trucks because they will hit the springs. You can buy conversion kits or replace the axle with the longer one.
 
Depending on the year, the duallys have a heavier rear axle, and stiffer springs. The front axle has spacers to be able to run dishes wheels matching the back.

I changed the wheels and tires on my 08 F350 SRW to 19.5s. Tires are rated almost as much as the actual 10000 rear axle.

Don't know if you are in an area where state enforcement like to chase those hauling goosenecks, but modifying a SRW into a dually doesn't change the weights listed on the door sticker.
 
The rear end is usually different in that it is wider for truck with pickup beds. The chassis cab models would be narrower but still have different hubs to handle the offset wheels. Since you do not mind putting a flat bed on just watch for dual wheel trucks with box beds or some other special bed on them. I have seen old U-Haul trucks converted. On some of them they had a walk through from the cab. You just have to fill it in if you take the bed off. It makes them sell cheaper.
 

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I put an arrowcraft dually conversion on my 1985 heavy duty f250 (8600gvr) in 1985. I have hauled some ridiculous loads with and it is still going strong. Check them out!
 
A true one ton truck with single wheels will be as strong and able to carry as heavy load as one with duals. My experience with dual wheel pickup trucks has been that they wear tires out faster than single wheel ones and there is those 2 other tire to buy. I currently own a Ram 3500 series truck with single wheels and I have hauled many heavy loads with no problem including sway. I switched from diesel to gas engines and I am happy that I did as gas is cheaper and mine gets better miles than with diesel. Plenty of power also.
 
I don't know if you can still buy these kits or not? I got them from JC Whitney. They're just long hex rods that go on in place of the nuts,then there's a big pipe with eight little pipes welded around the outside. You slide that unit over the hex rods,put another wheel on and put the original nuts back on.

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I think you had the wrong link. It came up to some spikes. Try this one. Mine are similar to that,but cheaper and simpler. The ones in the link would do the same job for sure. They just look a little more deluxe.
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The big advantage I found with the duals was hauling cattle. It almost eliminated the sway when they get to jostling around in the trailer.
 
The F350 box trk would probably still have a lower weight rating than a dually, but no doubt having an extra pair of tires and wider rear brake drums from an axle swap would improve braking. Rear axle of a truck towing a trailer always most likely to be overloaded. Both single and dual wheel rear axles were full floating axles, but dual wheel axle rated much higher capacity.
 
(quoted from post at 12:29:03 02/10/19) Correct me if I am wrong guys....

The dual wheel model has full floating axles and the advantages that brings
And the single wheel model does not.
Click to expand...

Not true. Even most 3/4 ton trucks have full floating axles.
 
When I went from the GMC 454 gas to the F550 diesel pulling my 30ft tandem dual trailer I went from 6 MPG to 12 MPG,the GMC gas wouldn't get 12 MPG empty no trailer.
 
Mine was a 3/4 ton. It was a diesel,so it was a little heavier than a gas. The gas version had three leaf springs,the diesel had four. I beefed mine up to five. It'd run out of power way before it'd run out of drive train capacity.
 
A quick look at the specs from any of the three manufacturers of one-ton pickups as well as the load limits of tires will easily refute your first sentence.
 
. As long as you plan on avoiding snow, rain and mud . A Dually varies between useless to dangerous in those conditions .
 
The axle for a dual wheel pickup is wider flange-to-flange than the single wheel model. This is because the rear inner tires must track in-line with the front tires to maintain the 4-ft width in between the fenderwells in the bed. However, the axle bearings need to be centered between the two tires for optimum strength so everything gets moved outwards. A DRW chassis cab truck doesn't have the pickup bed width limitation so they have a narrower axle resulting in the dualed tires splitting the track of the front wheel.

Any dual wheel conversion that simply adds a set of tires to the existing SRW axle without moving the inner tires inboard will create an offset load on the bearings which isn't desirable.
 
. As long as you plan on avoiding snow, rain and mud . A Dually varies between useless to dangerous in those conditions .
 
There is a difference between a "dually " and a true 1 ton. Remember that a srw has larger tires than a dually. A large single tire will carry a load as well as duals Notice how many semi trucks run super singles. Just depends on matching tire size and weight rating to load
 
Not if you put the right tires and put a load on them. Had a dual wheeled IH 1310 with goodyear mud and
snow and if you put 2 rank of fire wood on it it would go any where in snow and mud.
 
Four 235 /75/16 tires carry 3500 each as singles 2875 pounds as duals even if you go clear up to a 285/75/16 that only gives you 3750 comparing ten ply tires and then you have 2 more tires up front I run 265/75/16 up front so then add all 6 tires together no matter how you look at it a one ton will carry more
 
I put duals on a 3/4 ton Ford was pulling a gooseneck a lot, tore the rear gears out in about a year think it had the Dana 60 rear.Of course it might have happened anyway.The brakes
on a 1 ton are larger too.
 
Not true my GMC 1 ton with dual wheels was the best rear wheel drive only truck I ever owned in the snow.Right tires and some weight in the bed makes all the difference.
 
buickanddeere I had always thought the same thing
and it might be true on a regular dually but I just
weighed mine last week with half a tank a diesel
9780 pounds it handles a lot better on snow and ice
than a half ton pickup
 
I never seen a thread on YT with as much miss-information as I am reading on this one.
From my experience in body shops repairing frames and replacing complete frames on many pickup trucks, a 3/4 ton truck frame is lighter gauge steel. Rails on a 1 ton are much stiffer than a 3/4 ton.

Then if it comes with dual wheels (dually) that frame is also heavier. They are also a different width between the rails on the rear to make more room for the duals, maybe not so much these days, but in the 80's they had different floor pans for the beds back then. Width.

I own a 2002 F350 dually ext cab and bought a brand new 2018 F-350 ext cab last May. GVW on the new one is much higher than the old one. Both the trucks have the Lariat trim and Diesel engines,(apple to apple comparisons here). The new truck weighs almost 850# more than my 2002. I'll bet not a one of you would believe this, but let me take you under one and have a look at how much heavier built the frame and drivetrain is on the 2018. I was surprised, even the factory hitch is much beefier with a 3" receiver.

As far as driving in the snow....in 2wd, (both my trucks are 4x4) compared to the old 2wd trucks I had back in the 70's each of these new ones will go better in the snow in 2wd than the 3/4 ton 2wds I had back then by far.

We have hills around here Se Ohio, and no flat land like most of you are used too.

Also if you plan on towing a gooseneck trailer, the dually will kick a$$ on any single wheel truck...I have a 26' low pro gooseneck trailer and with a top heavy load of round or square bales the dually will really shine on a curvy road.

Three trucks ago I owned a 1995 3/4 ton F-250 4x4 gasser and while I used to think it was ok for towing heavy loads, I found out I was nuts after I bought the F-350 4x4 dually diesel. There is just no comparison folks.
 
That's funny, I have a Chevy 3500 4x4 with a dump
rack body dually, the outer rear tire is almost in line
with the front tires, the truck weighs 7000 pounds,
when I use to drive it in the snow it was like a tank,
very rarely needed 4x4.
 
Not true, my f250 3/4 ton has floating rear axe, so does my 3500 dually, my 84 k20 3/4 ton however does
not.
 
It still all boils down to can you stop the load you have not how much you can haul or pull. If you read a MI oversize permit you can't legally pull an over size with a less than 1-1/2 ton truck anyway. Not that we are talking about pulling oversize just put it out there.
 
Plus the wider stance of the dual wheels makes a huge difference in handling a trailer and if you blow one back tire you'll really see a difference between having 2 rear tires
verses having one rear tire.(LOL)
 
(quoted from post at 14:55:54 02/10/19) When I went from the GMC 454 gas to the F550 diesel pulling my 30ft tandem dual trailer I went from 6 MPG to 12 MPG,the GMC gas wouldn't get 12 MPG empty no trailer.
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hat year was the 454 and what chassis model. What year was the F550 diesel?
 
All this talk about weight. Local farmer here bragged about how much he could haul with a goose neck and his 1 ton dually with helper springs. Couple years ago they nailed him for overweight.

He learned several things real fast.

1: Don't matter what you put under it. They are going to go with what's on the door tag.

2: What little he saved making a few less trips didn't come close to covering the cost of a ticket. That was real close to 1,000 dollars.

Another thing you guys should do is talk to an attorney. You get in a wreck while overweight and someone besides you is injured you just because a "personal injury lawyer" dream unless you were rear ended.

Just be careful out there guys.

Rick
 
They NEVER go by the door sticker, only what you have the truck registered for. Your farmer friend tried to cheap out on weight tags, figuring he could get away with it because he was a farmer, and got bit.

What is a "3/4 float axle?" Is that anything like a "3/4 race cam?"
 
Not necessarily. Being overweight is like driving without license or insurance. What it boils down to is legal liability, ie did your
actions cause the injury. As a career insurance adjuster I always heard so and so didn't have insurance or was driving drunk. That was
completely irrelevant. Who caused the accident is paramount. Some states have contributory negligence meaning if you contribute at all to
the accident you can't collect from the other party even if their liability was greater. Most states now have comparative negligence which
means you have to be less than 50% at fault to collect anything. the closer you get to zero the greater case you have.
 
Well now for the uninitiated like myself we are still in the dark. when I started reading I thought there would be a consensus of opinion generally speaking but not so. I guess like everything else it comes down to one's opinion and own personal experience which is pretty subjective. But I enjoyed trying to follow along.
 
(quoted from post at 17:59:51 02/10/19) buickanddeere I had always thought the same thing
and it might be true on a regular dually but I just
weighed mine last week with half a tank a diesel
9780 pounds it handles a lot better on snow and ice
than a half ton pickup
Click to expand...

For all you single vs dually experts . At work we traded an otherwise identical but two years newer Dodge Ram dually for a single . For use on the salt spreaders/snow plough truck .
The truck with singles will consistently plough more snow and drive through deeper snow without spinning out vs the dually.
So spare me your dually is as good as a single in snow .
 

Focus on how heavy you need to tow and how often compared to what your budget is.

A 2019 1/2 half ton can legally handle a trailer you would have needed a dually one ton for in 1989.

I have a gas 1/2 ton that has a higher bumper tow rating than the diesel 3/4 ton it replaced.
 
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