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I have a pair of brake shoes that I got relined for a TEA. I put a Sure Seal in one axle, other axle was fine. Degreased both drums, cleaned out well. I put it all together and the brakes are even worse, you cant feel any resistance when you put your full weight on the brakes. Is there anything I did wrong? Or are the fergys never any good with braking?
 
They have decent brakes when they are adjusted properly, dry, and the shoes fit the contour of the drum.

There is an adjustment on the back plate, be sure it is adjusted before adjusting the pedal linkage.

Once adjusted the brakes will get better as the shoes wear to fit the drums. If the drums are glazed or were not turned this will take longer, but will eventually wear in.
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The brakes on my MF 203 are just about like that. They do little good at stopping. I bought new shoes same problem. I just have to be careful stopping on hills. My JD has good brakes, then it's hydraulic operated. I think real aggressive lining is available from a brake shop, if you can find one that realigns brake shoes anymore. I've decided some tractors have good brakes, some don't. Stan
 
Did it have any sign of brakes before the repair? Do the pedals feel as solid as a brick? Do the pedals move some but feel springy? Answering these questions will help radically in getting it stopping. Jim
 
Hi,
I adjusted them until they clamped the drum tightly, then backed it off a bit. Yes there were brakes on before but saturated in oil. Pedals do move some and feel springy, When I reverse, the brake shoes bind up and create more friction then going forward. Thanks!
 
There may be a primary and secondary shoe. They differ in amount of lining on the shoe, or material. If put on with the wrong one in front, they will act like that. Jim
 

Did I do anything wrong...

One are two drops of oil/grease will fudge the brake shoes up... Don't matter if a TEA are a corvette...

How to you make them as good as new well unless you have all new brake parts it aint gonna happen BUT you did not replace the outer seal and sealed the death of the new lining...

Go back clean it as good as new and replace the outer wheel seals and lining ... Are in other words do the best job possible its OK to add SS seals as long as you replace the culprit that started the mess to start with the outer seals...
 
Don't know on the TEA but the TO30 I had did have good brakes after I had it in shop and they got the pedal shaft loosened in the housing where it is supposed to move when applying. Before that no brakes as the pedal could not be pressed down far enough, it moved some and thought it was applying the brakes but tust kept it from going far enough to actually apply them even tho you thought you were getting them applied. This was back in late 60's before I learned much mechanical.
 
(quoted from post at 15:13:11 11/18/18) I have a pair of brake shoes that I got relined for a TEA. I put a Sure Seal in one axle, other axle was fine. Degreased both drums, cleaned out well. I put it all together and the brakes are even worse, you cant feel any resistance when you put your full weight on the brakes. Is there anything I did wrong? Or are the fergys never any good with braking?
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If there is not any oil contamination on the shoes and the drums are not glazed up then I would pull it back apart and look at the shoes you will likely see some shined up spots that were doing the work and a large surface area of the shoes that has not yet been able to contact the drum.

Sometimes chamfering the lining on the ends of the shoes can help improve the fit, you will know better once you look.

On big truck brakes some use a rig that mounts on the axle tube to perfectly machine the shoes for an exact fit to what the drums measure.

Others use grinding machines that holds the shoes in a jig for a fitting cut.

Mounting the backing plate in a lathe with the shoes secured to it and turning to size is another option.

Either way the end result is full contact of the shoes to the drums and excellent stopping from the get go opposed to wearing them in over time which on a tractor could take years.
 
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