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Aaron SEIA
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From all I read on line, gas is junk from the moment you pump it. It'll literally eat a steel tank in seconds if it has ethanol in it. I'd stick with the 5 gallon jugs.
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riveroadrat
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Get a plastic barrel. The old timey gas used to smell pretty good, smells pretty much like diesel fuel now.
teddy52food
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In mid Mn. & have a steel barrel with 10% in it since it came out many years ago with no problems. I get only 100 gallons at a time & it lasts about 3 months.
It will not eat a steel tank ... It will clean a steel tank that has rust or varnish in it from
regular gas . I just got my dads H farmall out of his shed and it had not been started since 1999 .
The motor was stuck would not turn with tires and in gear . I put a crank on it and kicked it and
it came loose so it wasn't stuck real bad . I put a 12 volt battery in it and a gallon of gas in it
and it started on the 4th time over . My father inlaws M had sat since 2009 and it was outside It
started the same way But I did have to put an inline filter on it. He had been having the screen
plug in 2009 with ethenol fuel but It had been cleaning varnish and rust out of the tank back then
. If you have a clean tank it will stay clean with it . if you put it in a dirty tank it will plug
filters.
regular gas . I just got my dads H farmall out of his shed and it had not been started since 1999 .
The motor was stuck would not turn with tires and in gear . I put a crank on it and kicked it and
it came loose so it wasn't stuck real bad . I put a 12 volt battery in it and a gallon of gas in it
and it started on the 4th time over . My father inlaws M had sat since 2009 and it was outside It
started the same way But I did have to put an inline filter on it. He had been having the screen
plug in 2009 with ethenol fuel but It had been cleaning varnish and rust out of the tank back then
. If you have a clean tank it will stay clean with it . if you put it in a dirty tank it will plug
filters.
I honestly have no idea where all the BS comes from. Ethanol takes on moisture from the atmosphere. Moisture is water. Water rust steel. That should be the end of the story, yet the BS continues. I speak from personal experience. Beyond that, you ought to get a clue from the fact that refineries do NOT pump ethanol or ethanol laced gasoline through steel pipelines. They know better than to destroy millions of dollars of pipeline. That is why ethanol is added at the distribution point.
Corn growers will try to obfuscate from here to eternity, but facts are facts.
Corn growers will try to obfuscate from here to eternity, but facts are facts.
I also speak from experience Your right ethenol will take on moisture but around here it is not
enough of a problem to bother anything it does not rust tanks when held in suspension so where do
you buy your fuel at . How many ethenol plants do you know of where the fuel enters the pipeline.
Did you know the pipelines send fertilizer up the same line that fuel comes up? then they send
water to flush then fuel again .
enough of a problem to bother anything it does not rust tanks when held in suspension so where do
you buy your fuel at . How many ethenol plants do you know of where the fuel enters the pipeline.
Did you know the pipelines send fertilizer up the same line that fuel comes up? then they send
water to flush then fuel again .
tractorguy2
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I have had the same 200 gallion fuel barrel since the late 60's and fill it with gasoline. I've had no trouble.
I have used the same gas tank 560 gal on skids. Since about 1980. I have put ethanol gas in it since it was new. Hauled 2000 gal from ADM,with a new L800 Ford had a 534cu. Gas motor. We blended the fuel in our truck. Back then people said gas wasn't anygood unless it had lead. Now you are saying ethanol ruined gas. We started selling it in 1979. I try to fill my tank at end of year. 10% ethanol. Still mowing and driving out of that fillup. If you put a pressure cap on your tank loss won't amount to much. RURAL KING, TSC, etc should have them.
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Russ from MN
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I mix a quart of diesel with every 5 gallons of E10 gas that I put in our Farmall C, maybe that will reduce the corrosion possibility. Runs great on it!
Ken Macfarlane
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Rate of fuel loss for gasoline tank? Depends how many teen boys there are on the farm.
john in la
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If you want to store gasoline you better research things like RVP; legal tank sizes; and phase separation.
But then again I guess you can listen to.... Those that say I done it for 20 years without a problem.
But then again I guess you can listen to.... Those that say I done it for 20 years without a problem.
gene bender
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so it will eat a steel gas tank then why are all of my gas tanks on my tractors still ok they have had the
10% blend since they started selling it here in Iowa yrs ago
10% blend since they started selling it here in Iowa yrs ago
john in la
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How many ethenol plants do you know of where the fuel enters the pipeline.
One from Tampa Fla to Orlando Fla.
And it cost Kinder Morgan 10 million dollars to update this short gasoline pipeline to accept ethanol.
Did you know the pipelines send fertilizer up the same line that fuel comes up?
Wrong.
While Anhydrous Ammoniia is transport by pipe line it has a dedicated pipe.
Magellan and Kaneb operate about 3000 miles of Anhydrous Ammoniia pipeline between Louisiana and Nebraska and a 2nd line between Texas and Minnesota
One from Tampa Fla to Orlando Fla.
And it cost Kinder Morgan 10 million dollars to update this short gasoline pipeline to accept ethanol.
Did you know the pipelines send fertilizer up the same line that fuel comes up?
Wrong.
While Anhydrous Ammoniia is transport by pipe line it has a dedicated pipe.
Magellan and Kaneb operate about 3000 miles of Anhydrous Ammoniia pipeline between Louisiana and Nebraska and a 2nd line between Texas and Minnesota
Williams Pipe Line Co. developed an economically feasible method for transporting batches of immiscible No. 2 fuel oil and UAN fertilizer solution (ammonium nitrate, 45%; urea, 35%; and water, 20%) in a single pipeline by employing the head-end sequence of No. 2 fuel oil, pig (to separate batches), emulsion zone consisting of fuel oil and water, pig, water, UAN, water, pig, emulsion zone, pig, fuel oil, and pig within fuel oil to limit water contamination of the oil. At destination, oil is recovered after it settles out of stored hazy fuel oil, emulsion, and water buffer. UAN contamination of oil is detected by checking for ammonia nitrogen, but contamination is minimized by the proper positioning of the pigs. Problems with this technique, including the tendency for the heavy UAN to form contaminating slugs, the impossibility of shipping UAN pipeline in winter due to water freezing and to salting out of UAN solutions, and incompatablity of corrosion inhibitors in UAN and in fuel oil, are discussed.
Williams moves fertilizer by pipeline. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/255091114_Williams_moves_fertilizer_by_pipeline [accessed Aug 11 2018].
Williams moves fertilizer by pipeline. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/255091114_Williams_moves_fertilizer_by_pipeline [accessed Aug 11 2018].
fixerupper
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OK, here we go; I live in fairly humid northwest Iowa. Have used ethanol from a barrel on the farm for probably 30 years. Back in the day before ethanol our gas barrel collected condensation water in the bottom of the barrel. Water sitting in the bottom of the barrel rusts it out, making pin holes. We had to drain the water out of the bottom of the barrel once a year or we would end up with water in the sediment bowls and carbs of our tractors. At that time the barrel was 500 gallons with a pump on top. The suction pipe was a couple inches off the bottom of the barrel. When we went to diesel in most of the tractors and the gasoline demand dwindled I retired the 500 gallon barrel and went to a 200 gallon overhead barrel. We had been putting ethanol in the big barrel for at least 15 years before I retired it without being drained and when I retired it I pulled the plug out of the bottom to drain out the water out of habit. Instead of water, out came rusty looking gasoline with no water. I saved the five gallons or so of gasoline that came out, strained it and ran it through a tractor. So in the end, yes a barrel with ethanol will absorb water but it will be suspended in the gasoline instead of sitting in the bottom of the barrel rusting it out.
The 200 gallon barrel I use now lasts 6 months and the last drop of ethanol is just as good smelling, if you can call it good, as the first drop.
Yes I have had ethanol related problems with diaphragms and rubber parts wrinkling like a prune. Haven't experienced that problem for several years now that ethanol resistant diaphragms are available.
After using ethanol for so many years my thoughts about ethanol vs regular gasoline are different from some folks. I think of regular gasoline as being a dirty fuel that allows water and junk to collect in the tank. I think of ethanol as a clean fuel that keeps the tank clean and does not allow condensation to condense and run to the bottom of the tank.
The 200 gallon barrel I use now lasts 6 months and the last drop of ethanol is just as good smelling, if you can call it good, as the first drop.
Yes I have had ethanol related problems with diaphragms and rubber parts wrinkling like a prune. Haven't experienced that problem for several years now that ethanol resistant diaphragms are available.
After using ethanol for so many years my thoughts about ethanol vs regular gasoline are different from some folks. I think of regular gasoline as being a dirty fuel that allows water and junk to collect in the tank. I think of ethanol as a clean fuel that keeps the tank clean and does not allow condensation to condense and run to the bottom of the tank.
I have been storing 10% ethanol in steel tanks for 40 years. I buy 500 gallons at a time and it takes a year to use it up.
My gas tanks have caps on the openings so I guess that is why I have never had water in the tanks.
1974 was the first time I used e10 in my 1971 Torino. I had to replace the fuel filter twice in the first 3 or 4 tank fulls. After
I got the crud out of the tank from previous years I never had a problem again with any car truck or tractor burning E10. I have a
1976 F600 grain truck that dad bought new. All it has ever had is E10. Still runs great today.
I have a Farmall MTA that gets started once or twice a year. It is still on the same tank of gas(E10) for 4 or 5 years.
Starts everytime and runs good after charging the battery.
I guess I am just lucky running 5 or 6 gas tractors all my cars and trucks over the years without one issue with an engine or carb
other than those 2 filters on that 71 torino. I am sorry I forgot we did have to put a new carb on that grain truck 15 years ago or
so.
My gas tanks have caps on the openings so I guess that is why I have never had water in the tanks.
1974 was the first time I used e10 in my 1971 Torino. I had to replace the fuel filter twice in the first 3 or 4 tank fulls. After
I got the crud out of the tank from previous years I never had a problem again with any car truck or tractor burning E10. I have a
1976 F600 grain truck that dad bought new. All it has ever had is E10. Still runs great today.
I have a Farmall MTA that gets started once or twice a year. It is still on the same tank of gas(E10) for 4 or 5 years.
Starts everytime and runs good after charging the battery.
I guess I am just lucky running 5 or 6 gas tractors all my cars and trucks over the years without one issue with an engine or carb
other than those 2 filters on that 71 torino. I am sorry I forgot we did have to put a new carb on that grain truck 15 years ago or
so.
john in la
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1) Who told you they put water between products?
2) I do not know Kinder Morgan trade secrets but assume they send the interface back to the refinery by rail car for reprocessing.
3) While there is research to send fertilizer and petroleum up the same pipe line it is not common everyday practice like you made it seem. From your link it looks like Williams is well on the way to do it.
How Pipelines Ship Refinery Products to the Pump
2) I do not know Kinder Morgan trade secrets but assume they send the interface back to the refinery by rail car for reprocessing.
3) While there is research to send fertilizer and petroleum up the same pipe line it is not common everyday practice like you made it seem. From your link it looks like Williams is well on the way to do it.
How Pipelines Ship Refinery Products to the Pump
fixerupper
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OK, this morning I needed to do a little job with a tractor. My favorite, the SC case is making Ice cream at the show. The oliver has the mower on it, the 630 gas a bad genny, the 51 A has a dead battery and the neighbor borrowed the 1086, so I went to the barn and fired up the Farmall B that has had the same ethanol gas sitting in the tank for at least three years. It has been fired up once a year with no water in it so it wasn't run long. I took the gas cap off and took a sniff. It smelled like regular gas in good shape but it didn't have that ethanol smell. Anyway, I fired it up and used it for awhile. It ran fine and the gas smelled good. I don't think I could convince the naysayers the gas was not bad even if they smelled it so you have to take my word for it. Now, this tractor is stored in a big old wooden barn out of the sun and quick temperature changes. It still gets down to zero in the winter and boy is it hot in there in the summer though. It seems to me like gasoline in a small tank like a lawn mower will go bad faster. I have no scientific reasoning though.
John in LA you are dead wrong. I owned a fuel business and got to know quite a few guys at the pipeline where we picked up fuel. They do pump liquid fertlizer up the pipeline. The products are separated by water. So are gasoline and diesel. They have a recovery plant at the pipeline to separate the water from the fuel. They work most of the time. One time I got a semi load of #2 diesel in that smelled of nitrogen fertilizer so bad they had to come pick it up and bring me another load. Ethonal sucking water out of the air???? I spent too many hours in lab situations to believe 1 iota of that BS. If it is stored in a tank with the proper fill cap, no such thing will happen. It happens when it is IMPROPERLY stored. I also hauled, sold, stored millions of gallons of the stuff. I never had 1 complaint about it.
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