So, you wanna fix your brand new JD product ??

Crazy Horse · Apr 30, 2018

My grandson forwarded me this link ....... seems like somebody is doing an end run on the "JD Mechanics Only" fixing stuff
that you buy. I suspect other manufacturers do the same thing too.
Fix your new tractor yourself ....

SVcummins · Apr 30, 2018

Had a 2015 kenworth when I was working on trucks that had a bad lcm couldn?t even find the lcm couldn?t buy a service manual . It got sent to the dealer for a 2500$ part and 2500$ worth of diagnostic time all because of a left turn signal that would work on the back of the tractor but not the front .

Traditional Farmer · Apr 30, 2018

I'm sure Deere's lawyers will be working up some lawsuits,a company that won't let you reproduce a 60 year old plow manual ain't gonna stand by and get rolled.Also probably is a Federal
Crime to use the hacked software too.

Steve@Advance · Apr 30, 2018

Building an unhackable computer is as easy as building an unsinkable boat!

David G · Apr 30, 2018

I really am steamed about how JD handles this, but doubt I would risk a 300K tractor on Ukrainian software.

Stephen Newell · Apr 30, 2018

The JD tractor I had, even though it was brand new the dealer wouldn't fix it so it went back.

moresmoke · Apr 30, 2018

The odd part is that JD is the center of the target of most of these articles. Deere has one of the most open software setups of any non auto manufacturers. You can do most of the diagnostics directly from the cab display, you do need a troubleshooting manual and need to know how to read it.

They also sell a limited version of service advisor to customers that has all the diagnostic info, but no calibrations or software loading. Those are locked out due to the emissions laws of this great country.

That said, I do have software on a laptop that will do things Ford would frown upon.

And yes, Deere can shut your machinery down remotely. To my knowledge they do not do this in North America, but if you do not pay your bill in the Eastern Bloc, your tractor will not start.

Bob · Apr 30, 2018

(quoted from post at 17:24:36 04/30/18) Building an unhackable computer is as easy as building an unsinkable boat!

The "BOAT" thing is easy, that was covered way back in 1912.

Oh, WAIT, maybe not so much! :wink:

jeffcat · Apr 30, 2018

Here is another i saw a couple of days ago.
monopoly

oldtanker · May 1, 2018

Folks ain't got this figured out yet have they? Is CaseIH/NH doing this yet? Or AGCO? If so I haven't heard about it. SO, and that's a big so JD is testing the waters. If farmers would just say OK that's how you wanna play? Then I'll play with another brand! JD would quickly change their attitude. That's all it would take. But no, They are gonna stay brand loyal no matter what.

I know that if I were in the market for a new tractor because of this I wouldn't buy JD. Heck if need be I'd even buy AGCO before I bought JD today.

I know guys who are JD lovers. They claim they will stay loyal to JD? I keep asking them if JD is being loyal to them. Believe me if it were CASEIH/NH I'd be saying the same thing!

Rick

Traditional Farmer · May 1, 2018

Being 'loyal' to a certain brand is pretty stupid as far as I'm concerned which is probably why I own over a half a dozen different tractor brands,and lots of different brands of
equipment.I'll buy for two reasons 1) The machine will do the job I want it to do and 2)the price is right.So what does anyone get for being 'loyal' to any brand of anything?My farm and bottom line have my first loyalty.

1130Leo · May 1, 2018

And this is why I will never purchase anything with these stupid restrictions, I will continue to fix my old crap that runs just fine, even if something is tied in place with baler twine... no reason for all this computer control crap on a farm tractor.

rustyfarmall · May 1, 2018

(quoted from post at 05:59:46 05/01/18) And this is why I will never purchase anything with these stupid restrictions, I will continue to fix my old crap that runs just fine, even if something is tied in place with baler twine... no reason for all this computer control crap on a farm tractor.

Or on a truck, or a car, or refrigerator, dishwasher, etc. etc.

ss55 · May 1, 2018

Has it ever been possible to get proprietary detailed part drawings from manufactures so a guy could manufacture his own replacement parts instead of buying new parts from the manufacturer or a licensed third party seller? No. Why would proprietary software be different?

If a guy wanted to build his own crankshaft he can measure the dimensions of a crankshaft, but he will need to determine the material, dimensional tolerances, manufacturing processes, and heat treat methods on his own. If he tries to sell his crankshafts to others, he will run into copyright laws. The same with modifying proprietary software.

carvel minne farmer · May 1, 2018

(quoted from post at 05:59:46 05/01/18) And this is why I will never purchase anything with these stupid restrictions, I will continue to fix my old crap that runs just fine, even if something is tied in place with baler twine... no reason for all this computer control crap on a farm tractor.

AMEN leo, I believe a computer belongs on your desk NOT on a piece of equipment, vehicales, trucks or anything that's outside working. farming and trucking are time sensitive occupations, the last thing any farmer or truck driver needs is to be sitting dead in the middle of a field or the side of the highway in the middle of harvest or hauling a load.

jacksun65 · May 1, 2018

The large truck manufacture companies have done this lately also. In 2012 I was told that I would need a new truck because eaton had quit updating the transmission computer on my 2002 truck. Most of the dealers didn't even have the ability to connect to that computer anymore. Now they can pull the codes and operate the computers on the trucks remotely. My brother in law drives a 2017 volvo with over 200,000 miles on it. They are having trouble with the emissions on it. Took it to the dealer they fixed it but couldn't reset the computer because the corporate headquarters computers were down.

DoubleO7 · May 1, 2018

(quoted from post at 10:02:59 05/01/18) Has it ever been possible to get proprietary detailed part drawings from manufactures so a guy could manufacture his own replacement parts instead of buying new parts from the manufacturer or a licensed third party seller? No. Why would proprietary software be different?

If a guy wanted to build his own crankshaft he can measure the dimensions of a crankshaft, but he will need to determine the material, dimensional tolerances, manufacturing processes, and heat treat methods on his own. If he tries to sell his crankshafts to others, he will run into copyright laws. The same with modifying proprietary software.

Do you get spare parts based on how much you have spent to acquire the equipment? Do you have to wait your turn for spare parts because the guy that spends $500k per year is a priority over your $10k per year spending?
Who do you think JD techs are going to service first?
You and your $10k spending per year or the BTO spending $500k per year?

620 John · May 1, 2018

Biggest problem is computers is what the public asks for. Get rid of the computers and you won't have the GPS, variable rate planting, etc. Not to mention mandatory emission equipment. Me? I'll just use my old stuff even if it reaches a 100 years old some day. If I have to I'll recast engine blocks, machine out new gears, shafts, ect, if that's what it takes. Will be expensive but I don't want to mess with the new crap.

55 50 Ron · May 1, 2018

Following these posts sure makes me glad I still have a 1991 Ford truck. Recently replaced the turn signal/4 way flasher assembly module (it was broken mechanically) on a tilt column unit and it was not as hard as I had envisioned. Manual had enough info for most repair-type people to follow and do the job. Thanks to "Ford of Old".

jimg.allentown · May 2, 2018

Deere is doing pretty much the same thing that Apple computers has been doing for years. Trying to tell you that after you paid top dollar for your machine, nobody but their "trained" people are allowed to service it. They did that with the Apple II systems, the early Macs, and more lately the iPhones.

Looks like Deere is trying the Steve Jobs business model, eh?

oldtanker · May 2, 2018

(quoted from post at 07:15:09 05/01/18)

(quoted from post at 05:59:46 05/01/18) And this is why I will never purchase anything with these stupid restrictions, I will continue to fix my old crap that runs just fine, even if something is tied in place with baler twine... no reason for all this computer control crap on a farm tractor.

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AMEN leo, I believe a computer belongs on your desk NOT on a piece of equipment, vehicales, trucks or anything that's outside working. farming and trucking are time sensitive occupations, the last thing any farmer or truck driver needs is to be sitting dead in the middle of a field or the side of the highway in the middle of harvest or hauling a load.

Well you guys can think that and you will be wrong. Eventually all that old stuff is going to be used up and replacement parts will not be available. Don't believe it? Just look. Prices on old tractors is dropping. Collectors are dying off and the younger folks just are not into it. As demand for parts drop they will stop making them. So eventually people are going to be forced into stuff they can get parts for.

Rick

BarnyardEngineering · May 2, 2018

Social media makes the "computer control crap" sound way worse than it is. One guy has a failure, complains about it on some forum or facebook, and then all of a sudden the whole line of equipment is condemned as being unreliable.

The reality is that most all of it works fine and there are no issues. Sure once in a while someone has a problem, and yes it's inconvenient, and yes the guy has a right to be mad, but stuff happens.

The reality is the "computer control crap" makes your tractor more efficient, makes it more comfortable for you, reduces your workload, so you aren't so tired at the end of the day, so you don't have to deal with 12 hired men who could care less about your machines or doing the job even acceptably.

Y'all wax nostalgic about the "good ol' days" but the reality is they weren't so good. Tractors broke down and left you unable to get your crops in, and they didn't even have computers.

DoubleO7 · May 2, 2018

Well you guys can think that and you will be wrong. Eventually all that old stuff is going to be used up and replacement parts will not be available. Don't believe it? Just look. Prices on old tractors is dropping. Collectors are dying off and the younger folks just are not into it. As demand for parts drop they will stop making them. So eventually people are going to be forced into stuff they can get parts for.

Rick

A tractor sitting in a collection is no longer consuming parts.

The old tractors still actually used to do a job are likely the most common tractors built and thus not very collectable.

But they are consuming parts.

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