Lets talk about diesel fuel

old · Mar 4, 2018

Been a good number of years since I have had any thing that was diesel. So today I noticed something I guess I have forgotten but any how. I noticed one diesel pump has a big nozzle on it and is hard to put in what I use the get diesel fuel for this IH584. The other side of the pump has a nozzle that is a whole lot smaller. I did notice the pump with the bigger nozzle does say #2 diesel so is the other one #1 diesel and which should I be running in this tractor??

mjsnodgrass · Mar 4, 2018

they are both probably # 2. big nozzle for big trucks, small nozzles for pickups and fuel jugs.

rustred · Mar 4, 2018

its all the same stuff. larger nozzle for semi's or bigger stuff. small nozzle for pickup's and such. dont want to wait pumping a few hundred gallons through a small nozzle. at least that is the way it is here.

flying belgian · Mar 4, 2018

msj has it right. If you had to fill your 150 gal. big truck tank with a small nozzle, you would be there all day. If you were filling your 4 gal can with big nozzle you would get it all over your self.

grizz02 · Mar 4, 2018

no you should run # 2 it could be off road red dyed diesel if it is about 2in dia made for farmers that have large tanks in the back of there trucks and what them filled fast just a guess

David G · Mar 4, 2018

Agree with the others, is the same, can use either hose, my truck will handle the flow from the big nozzle.

old · Mar 4, 2018

Wish I could get the red diesel but the place I buy fuel form does not have it and the one place that does it is a pain to get it at due to how they have it set up

JDEM · Mar 4, 2018

I cannot fill my 1994 Ford diesel truck with the big-nozzle. If I try, it just keeps shutting itself off. My 1992 Dodge diesel near as bad. Small nozzle pumps have worked MUCH better in any diesel pickups I have owned. I have never seen a choice between #1 or #2 here in northern Michigan. Just on-road #2, off-road #2, or kerosene which is pretty close to #1 diesel.

jm. · Mar 4, 2018

Here a lot of the road diesel pumps are like that. Big nozzle on one side for real trucks with hang on tanks with big opening and small on the other side of automotive fill on pickups ect all the same fuel if coming out of the same pump.

Donald in MN · Mar 4, 2018

there is another issue here in that he government has taken out sulphur in diesel fuel which acts as a lubricant and the new low sulphur fuel is hard on the seals in the older injection pumps that weren't designed for this new fuel. if your not concerned with performance or power run the number 2 fuel. i use about 1000 gallons of fuel every year in tractors made from 62 to 86 with rosa master and bosch pumps. what i do is put in the grey power service fuel additive in the summer and the white power service in the winter to replace the lubricants and also increase the cetaine rating on the fuel. you can use other fuel additives but you should use something to help keep the pumps from going bad

jacksun65 · Mar 4, 2018

Unless it says diesel on it, It's most likely DEF. I have seen people mix them up and it's not pretty.

Dick L · Mar 4, 2018

A lot of the stations I go to have truck and auto diesel pumps. The auto diesel have the smaller nozzle. I bought a Olds diesel years ago and the dealer told me to use #1 diesel or #1 heating fuel in the winter. I would fill the Olds about half tractor #2 diesel and top it off in town with #1. That was before the red dye.

Traditional Farmer · Mar 4, 2018

If you're a fuel supplier and you have a load of questionable fuel where would you put it in the Auto diesel tank for people to put in their fancy diesel cars and light trucks or in the big
truck diesel and off road diesel tanks?
I never buy any fuel except from the #1 auto diesel pump this is for my diesel truck and diesel tractors almost never have a fuel related problem.Plus I can file for the tax back at the end of the year for what is used off road.

David G · Mar 4, 2018

I doubt there is any #1 Diesel down by you, it is needed where really cold.

#2 is good down to about 20 degrees with no additive, stations may blend in some #1 if cold, up here it is blended from November - April in most places.

buickanddeere · Mar 4, 2018

(reply to post at 19:26:35 03/04/18)

Want to see a large nozzle? The Jet A-1 pump is about the largest I have ever seen.

john in la · Mar 4, 2018

The pump should say what each hose is for.

I would ask someone at the station rather than have guys guess that have never even been to that station as it may be DEF.
Or it could just be a smaller hose for pickups.

Andy Martin · Mar 4, 2018

(quoted from post at 18:32:39 03/04/18) If you're a fuel supplier and you have a load of questionable fuel where would you put it in the Auto diesel tank for people to put in their fancy diesel cars and light trucks or in the big
truck diesel and off road diesel tanks?
I never buy any fuel except from the #1 auto diesel pump this is for my diesel truck and diesel tractors almost never have a fuel related problem.Plus I can file for the tax back at the end of the year for what is used off road.

If you're a fuel supplier and have a load of questionable fuel you take it back to the terminal and get good fuel. The idea that somehow contaminated fuel can be sold to truckers, construction companies and farmers without recourse is a little far fetched.

DoubleR · Mar 4, 2018

Probably the same fuel, just a bigger volume nozzle for the bigger tanks on a big truck. You can fill a big 200 gallon tank quicker. Its been 8 years since I retired from trucking but truck lanes with Diesel all had bigger nozzles on the pumps. Our trucks held about 300 gallons of fuel. Like the big nozzle on the fuel delivery truck that brings my Diesel to the farm. It doesn't take him long to fill my 300 gallon tank.

Moonlite37 · Mar 4, 2018

Old, My Neighbor, Clear diesel is to high for the road tax. Even if it is in a hard to get to place get you a few cans or a barrel and get enough to make it worthwhile Your Bollinger County Neighbor

Brown Dirt Cowboy · Mar 4, 2018

moonlie37, you and me are closer neighbors than Old. Brown Dirt Cowboy, Cape Girardeau County

caterpillar guy · Mar 5, 2018

Like Moonlite said just use a barrel and save a few trips. You could then go to the same guy that would deliver it, and have them pump into your barrel. Or just have them deliver some to the farm. I buy about once a year for both gas and diesel fuels with no problems of it getting old/stale.

Traditional Farmer · Mar 5, 2018

Really? When I was at the concrete plant we got several loads of substandard fuel,some had water,some had algae or whatever that fiber looking stuff is in fuel.Some was so bad we'd have to change filters on the trucks two or 3 times a day.And the bad part was the same company that we got fuel from was owned by the same group that owned the concrete plants.

MarkB_MI · Mar 5, 2018

I doubt you can buy #1 road diesel in Missouri. Generally it's sold in colder climates, and even then it's not commonly available.

Last summer my wife and I took our new diesel pickup out to Colorado and back. Driving cross-country in Nebraska, we were running a bit low on fuel when we came upon an unattended fueling station. The price was right, despite being in the middle of nowhere, so I pulled in and started to fuel. Then I realized the pump price was much higher than the price on the sign. It took me a few seconds to realize that "Diesel #1" did NOT mean it was "diesel pump #1" but rather was dispensing #1 diesel! I stopped and switched pumps, but had already taken on half a tank of #1 from the high-speed pump. GM specifically recommends against regular use of #1, although I assume a few gallons now and then won't hurt anything.

showcrop · Mar 5, 2018

(quoted from post at 04:08:08 03/05/18) Really? When I was at the concrete plant we got several loads of substandard fuel,some had water,some had algae or whatever that fiber looking stuff is in fuel.Some was so bad we'd have to change filters on the trucks two or 3 times a day.And the bad part was the same company that we got fuel from was owned by the same group that owned the concrete plants.

Where and how does anyone go about getting a load of substandard fuel? Any fuel truck driver will tell you that all of the companies get their loads from the same pipe off the same tank. I would not believe for a second that my friend Donna, who owns a very big fuel oil company, (her father had a lot of JDs), would allow Sprague Energy in Newington NH, to tell her drivers to put a pipe from the bottom of the million gallon tank into any of her trucks. Traditional Farmer, think about this just a little.

Traditional Farmer · Mar 5, 2018

I don't have to think about it I experienced at the concrete company I worked for lots of ways for fuel to get contaminated.

Traditional Farmer · Mar 5, 2018

Matter of fact the local truck stop had some bad fuel about 10 years ago the local dump trucks fill up there and they were stalling out all over the place.

Andy Martin · Mar 5, 2018

Generally bad fuel, especially water, comes from leaking underground storage tanks. I was referring to hauling from a pipeline terminal or refinery dock. Pretty hard for them to let bad fuel get out and stay in business. A small supplier who stores underground or fails to manage their tanks can sure have it happen, and I can see supplying that fuel to one of your own businesses. But that is sure no way to make money with that business. Like feeding sawdust to your calves.

showcrop · Mar 5, 2018

(quoted from post at 06:23:04 03/05/18) Matter of fact the local truck stop had some bad fuel about 10 years ago the local dump trucks fill up there and they were stalling out all over the place.

I have been hearing stories about loads of bad gas and bad fuel for fifty years, and stopped believing them thirty years ago. Now, what really used to happen back before the gov't. made everybody remove all the old leaky in ground single wall tanks, was that when a leaky tank got low, and there was a heavy rain, water would leak into these tanks. The water could lead to algae, rust,and of course water. in customer's tanks.

JWA · Mar 5, 2018

Same fuel, small nozzle is for pickups and cars, the large nozzle is for large trucks, it won't fit into the filler neck on pick ups and cars.

Traditional Farmer · Mar 5, 2018

Our tank at the concrete company was above ground so that can be ruled out as far as where the fuel was stored before it got to us don't know,but I'll say the last 20 years 95% of my fuel
has come from the auto diesel pump at the Sheetz station about 5 miles from my farm and never have had a fuel related problem and when I change fuel filters nothing is in them as far as I can see.So to each their own but I'll never buy off road fuel to use.

buickanddeere · Mar 5, 2018

(quoted from post at 20:54:42 03/04/18) there is another issue here in that he government has taken out sulphur in diesel fuel which acts as a lubricant and the new low sulphur fuel is hard on the seals in the older injection pumps that weren't designed for this new fuel. if your not concerned with performance or power run the number 2 fuel. i use about 1000 gallons of fuel every year in tractors made from 62 to 86 with rosa master and bosch pumps. what i do is put in the grey power service fuel additive in the summer and the white power service in the winter to replace the lubricants and also increase the cetaine rating on the fuel. you can use other fuel additives but you should use something to help keep the pumps from going bad

Lubrication qualities was lousy in the first batches of ULS in 2006 and 2007 . That was a long time ago, refineries are adding more lube .

sotxbill · Mar 5, 2018

Kerosene is a lighter diesel oil than #2, hence why it is designated as #1 diesel. The lighter weight means it contains slightly less energy – about 135,000 BTU per gallon vs. 139,000 BTU for a gallon of #2. ... This is part of the reason kerosene burns drier, with less lubricity, than #2 diesel.

old · Mar 5, 2018

When I say hassle I mean to get the red diesel one has to go into the store then walk back out to the pump before they will even turn it on and that pump is way out back as in a good 50 yards from the store and with my bad knees and concrete that does not mix well. If you park by the store and go in then drive back to the pump they will not turn it on because they cannot see what car/truck your driving in the camera

Moonlite37 · Mar 5, 2018

I think we have talked on line here. I live between Marble Hill and Patton. I think you live near 34 and 72, I taught at Oak Ridge for 11 years and operated Patton Steel Products (now Mouser Steel Supply for 14 years

Noah W · Mar 5, 2018

There is THIS...

and then there is THIS.

Noah W

buickanddeere · Mar 5, 2018

#1 diesel is de-waxed #2 diesel. Ket A Kerosene is a lighter cut of oil between gasoline and #2 diesel. There is some wide cut kerosene B in some regions . It is pretty much everything from gasoline down to #2 diesel.

Destroked 450 · Mar 5, 2018

There's a couple stations in this area that have both nozzles at the highway diesel pumps.
Both stations can handle big rigs, the big nozzle is for big rigs and the small nozzle is for diesel cars and pickups, none of the stations around here have DEF at the pumps.

Only one station has off road fuel and they tick me off.
There's a 38 cents per gallon tax on highway fuel but they have it priced at only 10 cents less than highway fuel.
I have fuel storage tank here on the farm but if I have to buy any at the station I get highway fuel and deduct the 38 cent per gallon tax at the end of the year.
If I buy off road fuel there for 10 cents per gallon less it's marked on the receipt and I can't deduct the other 28 cents per, there forth their off road fuel ends up costing me an additional 28 cents per gallon.

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