I have a CA CDL and used to drive grape harvest. I've been asked to take a truck up to Oregon to load another to return to CA. All the driving I have done has been seasonal and under the requirements for log books and other regs. The truck I am driving will be a 97. Do I need an electronic log book for this trip? I do not believe the truck is equipped for one. I assume I need to maintain, at a minimum, a standard log book? Any info to keep me legal will be appreciated.
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showcrop
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Jim I happened to look this up just a few days ago when someone asked nearly the same question here and was given an incorrect answer. This forum is a very bad place to ask questions about CDL, load requirements and logs, because incorrect answers far outweigh correct ones. If you google Federal motor carrier safety act, then click on drivers and then search for logs, you will find your answer. Many people will tell you something that they heard, or what they have done without getting caught, not really helping you.
Thanks. I was on a similar FED site. I can drive up to 11 hours in a 14 hour window with a 30 minute break after 8 hours. After
11 hours, I must stop for 10 hours. If I am driving less than 8 days in 30 days no ELD required, plus the truck is old enough not
to require an ELD but I must maintain a written log. If anyone thinks I am wrong pipe up with a source reference, please.
11 hours, I must stop for 10 hours. If I am driving less than 8 days in 30 days no ELD required, plus the truck is old enough not
to require an ELD but I must maintain a written log. If anyone thinks I am wrong pipe up with a source reference, please.
john in la
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It does not matter what year the truck is.
It matters what year the engine is.
1999 and older engines do not require electronic logs
2000 and newer engines require electronic logs
You do not have to carry proof of engine age in older trucks but owner must keep engine records at business address.
If you are going outside 100 air miles from your home base you need some sort of logbook.
Is your cdl self certification updated for a out of state trip?
It matters what year the engine is.
1999 and older engines do not require electronic logs
2000 and newer engines require electronic logs
You do not have to carry proof of engine age in older trucks but owner must keep engine records at business address.
If you are going outside 100 air miles from your home base you need some sort of logbook.
Is your cdl self certification updated for a out of state trip?
fixerupper
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John does that include gliders. A 2017 glider could conceivably have a 1999 engine in it. I know gliders are in the bullseye for the feds and will probably be axed soon.
john in la
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I would assume it includes gliders also but I would have to go look it up.
I do know the rule specifically says engine.
It might have to do with older engines do not have the computer capability to run the software.
The company I work for has been buying gliders right and left over the past year to get around the new pollution laws. Plus we have many wrecked or outdate trucks just sitting around.
I do know the rule specifically says engine.
It might have to do with older engines do not have the computer capability to run the software.
The company I work for has been buying gliders right and left over the past year to get around the new pollution laws. Plus we have many wrecked or outdate trucks just sitting around.
bradley martin
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Your 30 minute break must occur within 8 hours of coming on duty, not after 8 hours. When Hauling oversize loads during the short days of winter, I do my pretrip inspection, take my half hour break (breakfast), then am ready, at sunrise, to make use of all the daylight hours possible. I will then make a couple of short breaks during the day for bathroom use, but am not loosing that half hour of running time. Perfectly legal.
Crazy Horse
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If you get pulled over and you find you are in breach of some kind of regulation or law, make sure you tell the officer that you are just following the advice received at the Tractor Talk forum on the YT website. After he stops laughing, he'll still write you up. I think if it were me, I would seek advice elsewhere if I were really concerned about it. Same thing would go for medical advice which many of us ask about here at YT.
Your 30 Minuit rest break must be started within 8 hours. If you do the break too early, you could have to do another one if you need to work more than 8 hours after completing the first break. Example: if you start at 6:00AM and do your break at 8:00 am to 8:30 am, You would have to do another break starting at or before 4:30 pm. Technically, you could work 6:00 am to 8:00 pm (14 hours) with your break somewhere in the middle. I play that game every work day, starting my break as close to 8 hrs as possible, just in case I get stuck and have to go to my once a week 16 hour exemption (I don't like going over 14). I got this info from a Oregon DOT officer that the company brought in to educate us stupid drivers.
Tim in OR
Tim in OR
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