rent grain bens on other farm about six miles away back a quarter mile long lane, last time there was four days ago, pulled in this am and the leg was running got to lookin and the ben auger was running shut everything off and got to thinkin somebody was taking beans out, looked inside and they pulled the center out of the ben until it was time to shovel. I am guessin about 14- 1600 bu are missin, called the law made a report they said nothing they can do. one of the campers sits there for dryin corn, some beer is gone and lunch meat and cheese, so I feed them also...every year it get worse and worse this is not the first time for stealing grain
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Janicholson
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Shut off the electricity to it, and take away a vital component of the mechanism. I feel for your loss. Theft without possibility of being caught seems to be on the rise. My neighbor had to chain down his motorcycle with 3/8' Proof chain and a dead man buried 3 feet in the ground. Jim
Bruce from Can.
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You need some game cameras
Northvale PA
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Think land mines.
Years ago, there was a quite a bit of stealing beans but the guys did get caught. What the farmers started doing was adding shredded paper in with the beans with identification names or numbers. I don't really know if that is how they caught or if it just turned them off onto something else.
Roger in Iowa
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Aren't there some kind of bits of papers you can put an ID number on and then add to the grain for identification. Really hard to get all the bits out of stolen grain...
tractorguy2
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About twenty years ago someone stole a truck full of corn out of a field. They were nice enough to bring the empty truck back to the field. They were never caught.
What are you going to do when YOU need to take the grain in to the elevator when it is full of paper? Around here the elevator would reject it most likely. You can't count on people being honorable anymore so might just as well have as much as possible in view of the house and in the case of grain that has to be off the farm have it at the mill with a basis contract. The local elevator will roll the contract over for several cents per bushel if you do not like the price during the initial contract period. Yes, you loose a little bit of control but at least you have something saying it is yours. Elevators pull shenanigans but I've never had one play games on the basis. If you feel the elevator is abusing your trust then it is time to be thinking about adding storage at your place for next year.
We disable the electrical systems at any remote bins. We have not had anything taken since we did that. Before we had some grain stolen about every year. Usually smaller amounts. I know some guys where steeling it to feed their livestock on the popular mini farms/acreages. The buy 5-10 acres and then have to have horse, cow, pig, and etc. Then they do not have the money to feed the "pets". So they think us farmers would not miss a little grain.
flying belgian
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What gets me is, you would think they would be the richest man in the world. After all, you and I have to buy all our "stuff" and they get theirs free by steeling it. But when they do catch them on rare occasion they are just low life dirtballs without a penny to their name. What gives with that?
37chief
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Sorry to hear that. I can put up with a lot, but can't stand people who steel from others. Stan
14 to 1600 bushels is pretty much a semi load? What small acreage guy has the semi, and the storage to put that much grain? Maybe somebody steals a pickup truck load, maybe, but that much is a lot more than the little guy could handle, imho.
Just like when a excavator was stolen here, it took a lowboy and somebody who knew what they were doing to steal it. No local druggies.
I am a small acreage guy, never would steal anything, and I would have zero idea on how a grain leg works. As with most thieves, he probably knows the thief, or is unfortunately related to them....
Just like when a excavator was stolen here, it took a lowboy and somebody who knew what they were doing to steal it. No local druggies.
I am a small acreage guy, never would steal anything, and I would have zero idea on how a grain leg works. As with most thieves, he probably knows the thief, or is unfortunately related to them....
oliverplow
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They make trail cams that are cellular. When it takes a pic, the pic gets sent to your phone right away, then you can catch em in the act.
gene bender
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That much took more than one big truck. Tracts,fingerprints and other stuff would be there for evidence. You shouldnt have touched anything and made some noise to County Att if local law wont help even state people. Having remote place needs some type of protection as that was a major theft. What was the time frame ect. Check local elevators ect.
If the elevator is busy or the weather is poor the employees won't be watching other than to take a quick sample to check moisture or grain condition. The paper may or most likely may not be in one small sample. So the crook more than likely would be successful in his efforts based on the local elevator. As others have said these most likely are not druggies but people who have some idea as to how things work. It could be a competing farm where nobody would question why they would have a semi and grain augers. Raising the auger and cross transferring on a windy day such as it is this morning here would probably undo the grain paper anyways. If it is like one local instance from years ago the offender probably stuck a 50 or 100 dollar bill in the elevator employee's pocket to be looking the other way and to make sure the sample read to the offender's favor. On the other end of the farm business it's been heard of here for a crook to pay an employee a 50 or 100 dollar bill to make sure a couple of extra cases of herbicide at 1,000 dollars per carton gets thrown of the pickup. Before you say that would never happen people who knew how that Coop worked knew that the Coop would write off a certain percentage of shrink. Not trying to get lippy about it but just want to have people realize how motivated and intelligent crooks can be based on things that actually happened in this area. I'd rather pay the elevator some storage if I did not have it and have proof of ownership.
olgentdc
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that ought to work good
You guys should listen to yourselves.
Oh meth heads wouldn't steal grain cause they wouldn't know how to operate the equipment? Why not? I've seen farm kids who got into drugs.
The cops won't do anything! Well that has more to do with your local politicians and prosecutors. Most cops would love to catch a crook. But the cops will not put much effort into it if they know that the crook won't be prosecuted or will only get a slap on the wrist. Or their budget is so small they can barely maintain the police force. They don't have the money for a crime lab or expensive DNA testing. My county for example 1 doesn't have enough officers. 2 doesn't have a crime lab and has to reimburse the state when they use it. That's the politicians at work. Most often paying for things that are not needed and shortchanging services. But the cops take the heat because they can't do anything.
That much grain? Yea, I'd look at haulers and other farmers. Especially farmers that are right on the edge of going broke.
On another note, cops know that the more a crime scene is contaminated the less likely they are going to be able to gather enough evidence to gain a conviction if they can ID the bad guy and make an arrest. So if the OP got there, drove/walked through the area, opened doors, bin lids and electrical controls there isn't much in the way of evidence to gather.
Rick
Oh meth heads wouldn't steal grain cause they wouldn't know how to operate the equipment? Why not? I've seen farm kids who got into drugs.
The cops won't do anything! Well that has more to do with your local politicians and prosecutors. Most cops would love to catch a crook. But the cops will not put much effort into it if they know that the crook won't be prosecuted or will only get a slap on the wrist. Or their budget is so small they can barely maintain the police force. They don't have the money for a crime lab or expensive DNA testing. My county for example 1 doesn't have enough officers. 2 doesn't have a crime lab and has to reimburse the state when they use it. That's the politicians at work. Most often paying for things that are not needed and shortchanging services. But the cops take the heat because they can't do anything.
That much grain? Yea, I'd look at haulers and other farmers. Especially farmers that are right on the edge of going broke.
On another note, cops know that the more a crime scene is contaminated the less likely they are going to be able to gather enough evidence to gain a conviction if they can ID the bad guy and make an arrest. So if the OP got there, drove/walked through the area, opened doors, bin lids and electrical controls there isn't much in the way of evidence to gather.
Rick
Yes, there are a number of high functioning drug addicts out there. I still think it is somebody who is in the farm business and that same person highly recognizes the OP"s daily routine. Game or trail cameras have been around long enough a crook will look for them. No doubt that the crook if suspecting such cameras will make a quick run through the vicinity to look to see how soon the OP responds to a trespasser. It's going to take a lot of vigilance by the OP to nip the problem such as the situation is at present. Does the OP want to take the chance that the crook successfully eliminates all cameras and then takes more grain in one swoop? Don't underestimate the determination or resourcefulness of a crook. The "tipster" in my previous post researched his victims very well and developed elaborate plans to cheat people. One Coop that he took for a ride figured the bookkeeper had to be in on it as the shrink was always at the point where it was just below what would have set off an investigation in the short term. The location in question had the worst shrink in the system for a number of years.
Sparktrician
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A little bit of work by you or a electrician would make it right about impossible for anyone to operate any equipment unless they are supposed to be doing so.....I hate this kind of crap too, just horrible
Traditional Farmer
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With your equipment theft and now this its got to be someone close to you that knows you well, think Ex-Employee,relative,neighbor,someone that has a business grudge.Probably the
one giving information isn't the one actually doing the stealing.Everyone is a suspect until you find out for sure who it is.
one giving information isn't the one actually doing the stealing.Everyone is a suspect until you find out for sure who it is.
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