OT: self driving car info

What's the point if you have to constantly be watching the light?

Other than collision avoidance, (which I don't think I could ever come to trust) might as well be driving it.
 

IMO, this is all about control. Get people used to not having the ability to make their own choices about things like driving and the sheep stop thinking they have a right to make choices about anything.
 
I've often wondered the same thing. Once we
take away the independence of being able to
make your own choices the easier it is to
lead people. Just one of my fee conspiracy
theories lol.
 
You don't think they could keep track of where you go in a self driving car, do you?

Maybe only let you go select places. Starts with limitations on city center driving.
 
I have not seen anything about how much insurance will cost, or if the insurance companies will cover them anyway.
 
This is a technology that should be stopped in its tracks. Perhaps it is an interesting plaything for a while, but in the long run, it is not something to be relied upon. There are many variables in the real world, and there is no computer big enough to hold them all. While collision avoidance may be the primary goal, there is no accounting for the actions of other drivers - or even other driverless cars.
 
It's primary purpose is to get you reliant on mass
transportation. You know, you are not capable of doing
anything for yourselves. Also, notice the amount of new
sidewalks and bike lanes, empty today but what does the
future hold?
 
I don't think any computer can deal with as much as a fully awake human who is paying attention. When's the last time any of us have seen that though. Most drivers now have their noses in a cell phone or some other distraction with no regard to the road. A computer won't get distracted or care what people are saying on face book. Between the two I'd have to say the computer would be the safest driver.
 
My feelings exactly. Don't think I will be around long enough for it to become a mainstay.
 
Collision avoidance, How is that going to see thru buildings to stop collisions? Absoulatly useless in real life.
 
My brain is already accumulating ideas on how to test these things when they get out in the real world. Think how many teen age boys who can't resist a good gig?
Won't happen until generations past who have forgotten their individuality.
 
My son has Narcolepsy and cannot drive. May be hope in the near future he could get where he needs to go with one of those ?
 
I think that it is going to be good in the long run. There will be hiccups. This will help with folks falling asleep at the wheel, distracted driving,
and the olds folks....

A couple days ago, we had a 99 year old man get killed in a traffic accident. He was attempting to pass in a non passing zone, hit somebody
going the other way, killing him self and severely injuring the other driver, no spring chicken himself. Completely avoidable. Autonomous
vehicles would avoid these incidents. Drunk driving deaths would be down also.

Yeah 99!!
 
(quoted from post at 09:30:08 10/10/17) I think that it is going to be good in the long run. There will be hiccups. This will help with folks falling asleep at the wheel, distracted driving,
and the olds folks....

A couple days ago, we had a 99 year old man get killed in a traffic accident. He was attempting to pass in a non passing zone, hit somebody
going the other way, killing him self and severely injuring the other driver, no spring chicken himself. Completely avoidable. [b:21983b80f2]Autonomous
vehicles would avoid these incidents.[/b:21983b80f2] Drunk driving deaths would be down also.

Yeah 99!!

Well, there's already one death attributed to the Tesla technology and it was not pretty (decapitation). There will be more as the "hiccups" occur. And I agree with the others that it's not the people clamoring for this. It's the "cram-down your throat" approach that I don't like. I'll never own one.
 
I know it is coming, insurance co does not want to deal with trying to take cell phones away from people, they are just passing on the costs of
more accidents and waiting for the driverless technology to get here. Will be interesting how they sort out responsibility them, manufacturers
and repair folk will be on the hook. Accidents will be less, but when they happen it will be entire groups of vehicles, feast and famine on those
deals.

Cabs and trucking firms can't find drivers, they will go for it in a heartbeat. All your competition has the same technology, don't have to deal with
people, benifits, sick time, Human Resources dept, govt rules on all such. They will be doing little dances when this comes to be. Software can
route the trucks on more efficient, 24 hour a day schedules, trucking firms can merge and get bigger, bigger piece of the pie. They will be all
over this!


The tough part will be the transition. When automated cars will be sharing the road with human driven cars - neither side will expect what the
other side does, and then who gets the insurance check from the other? As with airplane crashes, everyone points fingers at everyone else
until everyone ends up pointing at the dead pilot - could not have been any other fault right? And so insurance on human controlled cars will
skyrocket, to the point you can't afford to be driving on the road.

Railroads could already be using this technology, but there is such a strong rr union that it is slow going there. But rr was just designed for this,
they aready are stuck to the well metered and controlled tracks, and in general have the right of way to not stop for anything.

In the end, it will change fast, and will come to all, sort of like cd came to vinyl records.....

Paul
 
Maybe the high occupancy lanes will be changed to include self driving vehicles too?
 
Many other parts of the world are trying instead to get small aircraft to get people around. With the machines up in the air, it takes MANY unforeseen variables out of the way, such as a falling tree, someone pulling out in front of you, a deer (or other animal) jumping out of nowhere, sinkholes in the road, etc, etc. There is already very good radar for air, but for ground, an entirely new system has to be built. Each of these "driverless vehicles" would have sensors and cameras, and be able to communicate with each other and with a network. ...In other words, a ground-based driverless system will NEVER have all the kinks worked out of it unless and until the roadways are made up entirely of such vehicles. Even then, ground-based vehicles will be much more apt to surprises from things such as deer, sinkholes, bridge collapse/washed away, other types of accidents like involving trains or tractors, and who knows what other variables.

At the moment, there is ONLY ONE working "Air Car"-type vehicle that I know of, and it's designed, built and currently being used/tested in China. Seems impressive, especially for its small size. Another route that is more common in other areas is a system that, "for now", works more like a drone aircraft and has a live operator at the other end. I say "for now" because their eventual goal is to have a system that is so perfected that they can then remove the human factor.

IMO, all of the above systems are never going to be foolproof. The air-based vehicles will be first to come close, and might even achieve their goal....for a while. But eventually, as the population continues to grow and as more and more products continue to be shipped out/delivered (think Amazon and eBay), not to mention all the other non-manned aircraft, and any manmade hazards coming from the ground, there will eventually be many problems. The hope is to be able to work out those problems as they arise, and there IS a better chance of that for the air-based vehicles over ground-based.

One thing's for certain though, and that's that mankind will never in the foreseeable future be able to get rid of roadways. So long as there is any reason to deliver concrete, lumber, and other large/heavy loads to off-highway locations, then there will always be a need to keep the roadways intact and updated -- which may be why the USA is working on ground-based methods rather than air-based. My thought is that for either to work very well, it will require the other system also. All vehicles will eventually need to collect and transmit real-time data for both air and ground-based operations.

Personally, I don't like where any of it is going, but then I'm just an old fuddy-duddy anyhow - set in my ways. I don't trust people too much, but I also cannot trust machines, as they are designed, built and maintained by people. And once true AI comes to be, what real need will it have of "serving" mankind??

Dang, think I strained my last remaining brain cell on this post. Think I'll go back to bed! :shock:
 
(quoted from post at 14:49:49 10/10/17)
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[b:771fe7eadf]IMO, all of the above systems are never going to be foolproof. [/b:771fe7eadf]

Bingo! Between the inevitable s/w bugs in the systems, the variables that the s/w programmers didn't factor into their logic, the fact that electronics CAN and DO fail, I don't think we'll get to a point where you could trust a mass-produced product like an automobile containing the complexity of an airplane to hold up in everyday driving conditions. I think about my 1980 vintage Ford tractor with a diesel engine. All it needs to run electrically is a starter. Once it's running, no electrical problem will stop it. Can't get much simpler than that. And it's been working for almost 40 years. What about a 10 yr old driverless car? Think all those circuit boards and sensors built by the lowest bidder will last that long? It wouldn't take much to render a car worthless due to expense of fixing. Heck, we're pretty much there now where a moderate collision can total ($$$) a car because all the airbags go off. I'm definitely against it: too complicated, too expensive, not needed. It's designed by and for the lazy millenials, IMO.
 
Not only suffer from the failures, but we WILL ALSO suffer from any successes!! What I mean by that is, once a fairly decent working system is out there, you can kiss ANY reasonable chance of outdoor privacy goodbye! True, it may be a system where humans don't monitor it until/unless something needs looking into, but also consider hackers. Consider young couples deciding to have a romp in their very private backyard, only to have the whole thing end up online!! :shock:

The long and short of it will be this - as for the NSA right now being able to monitor ALL digital communications, they can officially claim that everything still remains private. However, we're trusting that from people whose LIFE it is to spy on and collect data from the world around them -- and I do mean The World! Now once there is real-time, full scale data and video (and probably audio many times as well), you'll no longer have a "reasonable" right to privacy.

This is not pollitically-oriented thinking - this is realistic fact. Don't/won't matter which side is behind the wheel!!
 
(quoted from post at 06:44:06 10/10/17)
(quoted from post at 09:30:08 10/10/17) I think that it is going to be good in the long run. There will be hiccups. This will help with folks falling asleep at the wheel, distracted driving,
and the olds folks....

A couple days ago, we had a 99 year old man get killed in a traffic accident. He was attempting to pass in a non passing zone, hit somebody
going the other way, killing him self and severely injuring the other driver, no spring chicken himself. Completely avoidable. [b:f89875fa29]Autonomous
vehicles would avoid these incidents.[/b:f89875fa29] Drunk driving deaths would be down also.

Yeah 99!!

Well, there's already one death attributed to the Tesla technology and it was not pretty (decapitation). There will be more as the "hiccups" occur. And I agree with the others that it's not the people clamoring for this. It's the "cram-down your throat" approach that I don't like. I'll never own one.

Tesla 1
auto deaths in 2015 38,000 +

I'd say Tesla has some catching up to do.

We recently had 5 people killed in a drunk driving accident. Kid ran a stop sign, reportedly 100.
 
As one who made a living flying airliners equipped with high levels of automation I can see the problems already.

Ironically, the more people begin to rely on these types of systems, the *worse* their manual driving skills will become. So what happens when a failure occurs or when the situation is too much for the computer to handle so it hands over control to a human with weak skills?

When automation fails outright it is one thing. The other problem is when it's operating in degraded condition and is not recognizing it's own poor performance? You still have to have an operator who is paying attention to what's going on and ready to take corrective action. That's while we still have two pilots up front on every commercial flight even though they could have gone full automation 20+ years ago.
 
Guys the thing most people are missing is that they are working hard to fix any known problems. It's gonna be here. Maybe not tomorrow or the day after, but they will work the bugs out. Could be decades before that happens but I could come very fast with one or 2 innovations.

Look at it from a farming perspective. In say 1970 who would have thought that 300 BPA corn would ever happen? Here where I'm at corn was for silage. Now we have guys raising corn as a cash crop and getting more than 200 BPA. Auto steer? That's happened too. And look at grading a roadbed with modern equipment and such? GPS, a computer and all the operator does is ride and monitor the systems.

Rick
 
As the headline at

http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/

says

"Where the self-driving car meets the uncontrolled railway crossing. "
 

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