i didnt want to hijack jeffs thread, but before i buy a set of these new led work lites, im older, i dont know what a lumen is, i measure in candlepower, now, my lites are measured by the power of my 40 year old kc day liters on the front of my winch truck , they lite up with usable lite for a whole pasture at nite, [ they also make the alternator sing!], compared to that how good are led's and what should i get for usable nite running? prices are all over, so i know there's junk meant for looks,[ show 4x4 vehicles that never were, and never will be off road] and not for using out where there is no road, but there is work to be done, or a steer to be found