Which tractor for the backhoe

I have a 560 and an 826 and a 1086. I also have an Arps 730 backhoe that dad used to use on the 826... But dad died many years ago and I am wondering if another tractor would work better. I am thoroughly disgusted with its performance (being just plumbed on the remotes) and it having no power and soo sloooow and barely coming up out of the hole, often tripping the lever in the cab so there's a bungee cord wrapped around the lever. I don't know if there's power beyond on any of these tractors but i assume if i don't know it probably doesn't have it. Since it's such a big hoe I think it'd work better on the 1086 but considering how picky the 1086 hydraulics are about cheap hydraulic fluid I'd want to carefully drain all the cheap hydraulic oil before attaching it to the 1086. Or would the 560 be better? I hear that the 560 runs only about 1500psi and the hoe is built to handle closer to 2500psi so it's not my first guess. The Arps manual suggests directly plumbing to pump and sump and adding a few other special valves I don't have, all of which could be related to poor performance; but...


Which tractor would you choose for putting a hoe on?

Thanks for the input everyone.

The best thing to do is put its hydraulic reservoir on it along with a pto driven hydraulic pump. A true TLB will have a 15 to 21 gpm hydraulic pump for the backhoe, and you see how fast those move when they are working.

The little Howard backhoe Dad bought back about 1970 had its' own hyd. system, and it worked well. I agree with ptfarmers' advice.

those models do not have a lot of gpms to start with, like said get a pto pump and you will have two-three times the speed and performance you have now at a idle almost

Ditch the 3pt backhoe and buy a TLB. There really is no comparison to the two in digging speed and power. Adding a pump and reservoir to
you old hoe will not be cheap and will marginally improve performance. I started on a 3 pt hoe and thought it was great compared to a shovel
now after having a Deere 310 I will never go back. Even the smaller mini excavators would dig circles around your 3 pt hoe.

We also had a 3 point backhoe. Was slow
also. But better than nothing. But got a
case tlb, no comparison. 580B on up.

I have to add, like the others, I got an IH 3444 TLB, then a Ford 655A. Most often used piece of equipment on the farm.

I agree with all who said a real backhoe, I have three of them now, 420B 580CK and a 680E, but I thought he was just asking how to make it work faster, 4-500 for a new pump is a whole lot cheaper than a working backhoe and if it does what he needs it to do why trade lol

Hi I'm with the others go buy a proper backhoe loader, find somebody that just moved from the city to an acreage to buy yours. They will think thats
fantastic on a tractor and having to keep jumping off that seat and climbing on the tractor and back to the hoe every time you want to move a
distance. without pushing the outfit along with the hoe.

If you go for a case 580 start at the C the B is getting hard/expensive to find transmission parts for and awkward to fix if you find parts
depending what went wrong with it. from my research when I was looking the C seems to be the first component based drive line rather than all bolted
together like a regular tractor drive line so are much better.

I got an 80's JCB 3D3 Backhoe loader here in the end I'd owned them before and knew exactly what it is. it's got the power train shuttle shift
component drive line( easy to fix), extenda hoe, And the European side shift hoe I wanted. I've got about $7000 or so in it but it's a tank with
what it will do with the hoe and heavy duty loader with 8 ft bucket.

If I'm stuck I can drive the machine from the seat and operate the loader and backhoe just by swiveling the seat half way or reaching over the seat
back. None of the controls are 5 ft in the air and you can't do anything with the tractor loader part at the same time. if you want to move more
than push along, swivel the seat lift the legs, and front bucket. put here in drive move and set up again. I didn't climb up or down anything and
certainly didn't miss my footing and fall off anything. You couldn't give me one of those tractor hoes after having the proper machine.

Yeah its gonna cost a few $ more than you get for the tractor hoe but With the right backhoe loader, you'll buy us all that said the same a barley
pop as a thank you L.O.L
Regards Robert

Just yesterday I transported a Case 580E that a friend just bought. It appears to be pretty sweet: good paint-almost no rust; decent hoses including five fairly new ones; extend-a-hoe; four way bucket; not many leaks; decent bucket. He got it for $11,000. We had also looked at another 580E that was rusty, poor hoses, worthless bucket, no extenda-hoe, no four way bucket, that the owner wanted $12,500 for.

Other than the 560 there will be little difference in the other 2 since they both use the same pump with the same volume and similar pressure. If you want to improve it's performance go get a PTO driven pump and couple that up to it. With about 20 plus GPM and about 2- 2500PSI it will work much faster and dig much better also. Otherwise go buy a regular TLB and be done with it.