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D15 rod through the block

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nmiller1066

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Our favorite utility tractor put a rod through the block. It looks to me like the bolts simply backed out of the push rod. Before this event the tractor ran like a finely tuned watch (it was still running with the push-rod hanging out of the block when I shut it off).

What is the best path forward to fix this? Any chance we can just buy one push rod? Is there likely any other damage? (bent valves?). Should we just pull the motor or attempt some in-frame repair? Should we just weld a patch over this hole or pursue a different engine?

It is a D15 Series II.

Thanks in advance for any help!

-Nick (NE Ohio)
 

Connecting rod?...Push rods run the rocker arms and valves.

I have had blocks repaired when the damage didn't get an oil galley or water jacket.

Might be cheaper to buy another engine or possibly another tractor.
 
That was my fear also (cost is cheaper for a new tractor). Wondering if it is feasible to replace the
connecting rod and weld the block (can you even get a single rod?).
 
Like he said as long as the cooling and lubrication systems are not compromised then it is possible and is done in quite a few circumstances. The only thing is it will kill the value of the tractor when you go to trade or sell it. Must be engines are super scarce that it is as nearly expensive to buy another engine as it is to find another D15. I promise nothing but give Wenger's a try in Myerstown, PA as they may have a reasonably priced engine. Maybe somebody such as Bob Bancroft may know of another application such as a combine that engine was used in. Or another AC engine that would fit. If money is super tight then a replacement connecting rod and patch may be the cheapest way out if not preferable to somebody such as myself.
 
The block may have small fractures not visible, and weaker because of those. The crankshaft may be scored as well. Another rod will work as long as it is identical and weighs the same. I think you are better off with another engine. Ben
 
The damage to the crankshaft and cylinder will be dramatic. The remaining cylinders will be starved for oil because there is now a open hole in the oiling system. Get another engine and be satisfied that it served as long as it did. Jim
 
There is a good chance your crank is bad too, so it will likely be spendy to fix. A goid source for engines is combines. If one of the gleaner combines uses that engine or one that will fit you should be able to get a good one pretty easy. If you know what fits my local salvage yard would likely have one.
 
Thank you Jim. That is exactly the type of advice I am seeking (before I go down a rat hole trying to piece this one back together). Perhaps time to start researching combine engines (as Jon suggests above)...
 
You might call over to wellerts ac parts in west Salem Ohio and see if they have the parts you need. Prices have been reasonable anytime I've dealt with them.
Dave
 
The 160 motor in the D15 Series II is different from the Series I D15 somewhat hard to find parts for but they are around.Can't remember if the rods are different or not.Best thing is to
pull the oil pan and access the damage.I'd be surprised if there is not internal damage.A Series I or D14 motor will bolt in but you won't have as much HP.
 
The combine yard over in Lansing (Ithaca), NY may have something but you will have to help him along in terms of certain Gleaner combine and/or casting numbers on engines. I don't know the last time any of those ran or condition but maybe they might be a source for parts if not a complete engine. K and J Surplus 607-279-6232.
 
The guys above are right. No combine used this engine. You might be able to turn your crank and buy one rod and fix it. I am fixing one now with a hole in the block. Looks like a rod bolt broke. It also broke the camshaft. I'm thinking of fixing the hole with J B weld and screen wire.
 
Series II D15s use a different connecting rod than previous models. I do have a few good used rods sitting on the shelf that have been checked at a machine shop if you need one.

Jim
 
That may be but it is still possible in terms of a complete engine that an engine might bolt in from a combine.
 
WD and WD45 engines were used in the AC SP100 combines, D17 was used in the Gleaner E combine. D14/15 engine is different from these.
 
Put it on the wall that is ONE time you and I agree on something, e and e III used the wd engine or a derivative of that block.
 
Thanks Dave. They are checking for me (but doubt they have a 160). I didn't realize a 149 engine could bolt in. I doubt we would miss the power for utility use. Appreciate the lead!
 
Lots of good advice and comments in response to your question. A reputable machine shop, experienced in work on engine blocks, may be able to assess the condition of your block and determine if it is complete junk, or if it can be repaired. I remember my father telling me about a W-9 McCormick Deering/International they had when he was a young kid. A connecting rod went out the side of the engine block. They took the block to a machine shop. A patch was welded on to the side of the engine block and the engine was overhauled. They had the tractor for a few more years and then it was traded for something newer. He saw that same W-9 some years later, still running, and he recognized it from the welded patch on the side of the engine block. Be patient. Explore your various options so you can make an informed decision.
 
Hey had to happen I guess(LOL). Those 160 engines were in the D15 Series II,I600 tractors and the H3 track machines also a few power units.Not equipment most people want to junk out plus they are
in demand to put in B's and CA's for tractor pulling.
 
What I call the "small block" AC engine (116,125,138,149,160) was not used in any Gleaner. Many 125 power units powered All Crop harvesters, blowers, etc. Quite a difference from the start to the end of that engine series.
Gleaner E used the D17/226 engine.
 
Good to know. At least I learned something. Sometimes an idea pans out and sometimes it does not. It still would not hurt to call Wenger's about an engine that would have come out of a D 15 II.
 
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