Eldon (WA)
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My brother took this pic at the fair.
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Dune Country
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and?
Brent Zappe
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Okay I think you got me. why so many Ribbons on one thing. I do understand that times have change where every body got to have a Ribbon on there stuff. No I am sorry I do not see this in Ca. because there is to many places to put this stuff in for Judging. when being a Judge in a class for stock Automobiles it comes some times down to a thin wire on who get first and second OR third places. This is a fair which means you should have good judges not wimpy ones. Like some car shows I have gone to they have judges who have many years of experience in just stock restoration. boy they are very tough on every body's car they judge. It is fun just to listen to what they talk about when judging cars.
hydro70guy
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What is the problem, the judges placed different samples of wheat. Do you think they all should get the same or what.
Joe
Joe
jim buford
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Of course the elite marxists are more equal than the peasant elite.
The actual quote is: "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."
From Animal House by George Orwell.
The sentence is a comment on the hypocrisy of governments that proclaim the absolute equality of their citizens but give power and privileges to a small elite, so it pretty much applies to all governments.
I agree, Joe, don't see any problem... they placed items submitted for judging. Standard situation ever since I was in 4-H many, many years ago. Even today we place in our llama shows down to 6 to 10 places depending on the number of class entries. Some shows give ribbons to 6 places others to 3. No big deal.
brutus49DC
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When I was in 4H showing livestock and hands on items we had Purple for grand champion then blue, red and white. White meant "you suc k, try harder next time"! Even as an 8 or 9 year old I realized this and tried hard not to get a white. This reality for a kid and prepared you for real life. Today you get an award whether you excel or don't even try. What lesson does this teach?
Eldon (WA)
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Exactly! :roll:
I don't really see the problem.
In FFA decades ago every grain sample got a ribbon. There was a purple for the best, blue for the top 1/3, red for the middle third, white for the
bottom third.
You knew where you stood, and white wasn't nothing to be proud of. Meant you were there, but you didn't count.
Would be bad if all the ribbons were the same color, or no winners.... This seems normal to me, but I'm from MN.....
On a test they don't give out one A and everyone else gets an F? You rank in order, and everyone gets a grade of some type. The ribbons are
clearly ranked, top spots are color coded, pretty clear winners and got close no cigar and also rans.
Paul
In FFA decades ago every grain sample got a ribbon. There was a purple for the best, blue for the top 1/3, red for the middle third, white for the
bottom third.
You knew where you stood, and white wasn't nothing to be proud of. Meant you were there, but you didn't count.
Would be bad if all the ribbons were the same color, or no winners.... This seems normal to me, but I'm from MN.....
On a test they don't give out one A and everyone else gets an F? You rank in order, and everyone gets a grade of some type. The ribbons are
clearly ranked, top spots are color coded, pretty clear winners and got close no cigar and also rans.
Paul
Eldon (WA)
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The fact that they are all "premium" is the catch....
Im not seeing a problem. It is well established where they were placed. This is also the state fair, so #5 may be far from the best but its the 5th best one in the entire state. When you figure how many county fairs there are that is quite an accomplishment and will probably give the kid the courage to try again to be #1 in the state next year.
Now "participation ribbons" should be used for toilet paper.
Now "participation ribbons" should be used for toilet paper.
Hay hay hay
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Somebody won...somebody lost. Everyone got a ribbon but some ribbons are important, some are not.
The participants know the difference. They know who won and who didn't.
Just because everyone got got a ribbon ..it is not bad. We all got 4-H ribbons (many white) back when America was
great. (of course we choose to forget the part that wasn't great).
Don't confuse participation ribbons ...with everyone getting the same ribbon,trophy or award.
The participants know the difference. They know who won and who didn't.
Just because everyone got got a ribbon ..it is not bad. We all got 4-H ribbons (many white) back when America was
great. (of course we choose to forget the part that wasn't great).
Don't confuse participation ribbons ...with everyone getting the same ribbon,trophy or award.
Pair-a-dice farm
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I guess I don't understand what your referring to. I haven't been involved in any showing in a few years but over 50 years ago when I was in 4H and FFA the grand and reserve champions got a rosetta or banner and everything else got blue for 1st, red for 2nd white for 3rd and a different color ribbon down to 10th place maybe farther. I don't agree with participation trophies either but they are usually the same thing no matter where you place. Every fair I've been to, and I've participated in fairs from Denver, CO to Atlanta, GA and Ft Worth to Jackson MS, all of them awarded ribbons the same way and have for at least 50 years. Participants know when they sign up what the ribbons are and that the money drops significantly the lower they place and usually dries up after 3rd place.
"Premium" is referring to the payout and sounds better than placing, it does not mean that this is a premium exhibit, nor is it used to boost the moral of the contestants.. The number of premiums depends on
the size of the class. Highest placing pays the best premium.
It looks like MN State Fair pays top 7 premiums in classes with 1-10 entries per their entry book; thus premiums for the top 5 (hard to place 6 & 7 if there are no entries.)
How about you watch some of the livestock shows, they will usually place all of the animals in the class and only award ribbons and premiums based on the rule book. I enjoy seeing the judges preference
order.
FWIW those appear to be open class entries, FFA and 4-H have their emblems on the ribbons. At the MN State Fair, Open Class and FFA classes award placing premiums (1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc) and 4-H awards quality
premiums (Purple, Blue, Red, White). Premium payout is dependent on show (Open, FFA, 4-H), ribbon awarded, and class (different premiums for livestock, crops, etc).
I know guys that size their beans, wheat, corn, for crops competition to ensure a "uniform specimen" for open class crops; this is a competition and is taken seriously by the contestants. I would expect the
best sample to get more money than the second best, and second best more than third best, etc and that is why the judges place them.
the size of the class. Highest placing pays the best premium.
It looks like MN State Fair pays top 7 premiums in classes with 1-10 entries per their entry book; thus premiums for the top 5 (hard to place 6 & 7 if there are no entries.)
How about you watch some of the livestock shows, they will usually place all of the animals in the class and only award ribbons and premiums based on the rule book. I enjoy seeing the judges preference
order.
FWIW those appear to be open class entries, FFA and 4-H have their emblems on the ribbons. At the MN State Fair, Open Class and FFA classes award placing premiums (1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc) and 4-H awards quality
premiums (Purple, Blue, Red, White). Premium payout is dependent on show (Open, FFA, 4-H), ribbon awarded, and class (different premiums for livestock, crops, etc).
I know guys that size their beans, wheat, corn, for crops competition to ensure a "uniform specimen" for open class crops; this is a competition and is taken seriously by the contestants. I would expect the
best sample to get more money than the second best, and second best more than third best, etc and that is why the judges place them.
Pair-a-dice farm
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Thanks for clarifying that asg. That's what I was trying to say. Most of us agree that participation trophies are a bad idea but these ribbons aren't the same thing.
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