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July 6 1947 the AK-47 enters production

Read something interesting many years ago. The man that designed the Ak47 became an NRA life member.
 
Friend of mine gave me a Romanian kit he bought way back when they were selling for ~$100.00. At that time they would just torch the receiver into, now they cut the barrel and the receiver which makes building one from a kit not worth the cost. I bought a new receiver and the parts to turn it into a working AK. Was a fun project, made the tooling to replace the rivets and gave me an excuse to buy a hydraulic press. One photo is the parts I started with, 2nd photo was the day a couple other friends came out to play on my gun range.
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I bought one at a gun show, NIB, complete with three 30 round magazines, for $539 a couple of weeks before the Sandy Hook shooting. A couple of weeks after the shooting at Sandy Hook, I saw the very same thing on a rack in a gun dealer tagged $1300. They're back down to normal again.
 
~$400 to $500 is about typical for what one can be bought for today. Full auto's are rare here in the states because you are not allowed to buy any full auto that wasn't in existence when they decided the Tommy gun should be outlawed. If you even get caught with just the parts to make an AK full auto it could mean big time jail time.
 
Take it from me, they are a lot of fun, especially if you get a drum mag..... And if anybody tells you they aren't accurate, tell them they don't know what they are talking about. True they might not hold a sub minute MOA several hundred yards out, but they weren't designed for that either. Personally I can routinely hit an 8x8 steel plate at 100 yards and beyond, and have a friend that was recently ringing a plate (?size) at 400 yards with his M92 pistol. Mind you that's with iron sights in both instances.
 
I used to ask the Russian guys at work "Where are your Kalashnikovs ? " . According to wiki only accurate to 300 meters . My AR with a seven twist barrel is accurate to 700 yards . I'll take my Marine rifle .
 
I never had a desire to buy one
I spent 13 months in 68&69 getting shot at by them and the sks
They are a good weapon
 
Funny thing about range and accuracy, the US military has done multiple studies on this. The average combat soldier is not comfortable or effective with anything much over 200 meters. That's one of the reasons that snipers in WWII were so effective. They were firing on average between 200 and 450 meters just outside of the effective range most grunts were comfortable with even though their rifles were good out much past that.

Today that's changing ever so slowly with the fielding of better sights for the common infantry soldier.

Another interesting thing. Mikhail Kalashnikov made no money on the AK47.

Rick
 
I keep reading all these posts about how "fun" and amazing the AK-47 is. Meanwhile, all I can do is think about how many US servicemen and women it has killed, and continues to kill.

Yes, I have read how the gun can fire reliably while having lots of dirt and crud inside. ...Let's see, how many of our guys got killed by the thing? How many dangerous 3rd world countries are now fully armed with them?

I know we have better and more powerful weapons, as well as technology now, but the AK is still a force to be reckoned with under certain conditions!
 
Maybe so , but when they were first issued you could not count on them and in the bush you did not always hit what you aimed at . It did not take much to deflect the 55 grain round . SO for us most of my group we carried what Charlie carried and resupply was easier . I carried and AK 47 for 11 months and yes they are not good for range but they worked vary well in the bush , for the long shot what was in the bag was the tool for that . the only time i took a M16 into a fire fight was the second night of Tet in 68 and was forced to TRADE IT OFF for a almost brand new AK due to the fact it junked out .
 
Many times more American servicemen were killed by the Mauser 98 than ever shot by the AK47 and the US response was copy it.
 
I think the AK's and SKS's are some of the most reliable guns ever made. I love them and use them often.
 
I've always liked the SKS - a nice accurate rifle with minimal recoil and a nice heavy slug. The only downside is it is usually only 10 rounds, but I've never needed more than 2-3 rounds at a target in my life. The AK is reliable but not nearly as accurate as the SKS. When you watch the gun literally flex while being shot you wonder how it is even accurate to 100 yards.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGivoWD9OvQ

I know all guns flex while being shot but the sheet metal receiver of the AK seems to flex a lot!
 
dhermesc- I watched the video that you linked. Did you read the comments below the video? The posters really hammered the OP about a lot of things. Many of the posts are valid.
 
I love my SKS. Like stated, it has very low recoil as is quite accurate. I got mine in trade for some work on a tractor I did. Since mine is just used occasionally for plinking around here or shooting woodchucks, I don't need to, but want to tune it up a little to make it a little more shooter friendly than just the old ramp sights. It's very short, so I figured when I get to it, I'm gonna lengthen the stock, fill in the barrel vents and finger grip grooves with inlaid black walnut. I figure the walnut will give and good contrast with whatever sort of light colored wood it is made with now. Also, someone told me it is supposed to have stripper clips? Not sure about that, but sure don't have any.
 
How about this one we learned in boot camp ----- "This is my rifle, this is my gun, this is for fighting, this is -----:).
 
You should be able to get the stripper clips at most any gun shop.
When I bought my SKS I also bought a case of ammo for it. (1000rds) it came with half a dozen clips.
 
Actually many of those hand broached barrels are 7.2 twist for the very heavy VLD bullets. Look like the stud bolt out of a truck head. Ain't cheep but boy are they acurate. Do you roll your own? When I used to shoot over the course I turned the necks to .o7 and the 69 grains were molly coated. Now they are using powder coat paint on the bullets. If everything on a fully tricked out DCM AR15 at a hundred yards I used to put 10 shots in a ragged hole under the size of a dime. Kragger barrel. Stainless and cryogenic stress releaf. Picture of one of the rapid fire targets. You don't have a lot of time to shoot those ten shots with a mag change.
 
(quoted from post at 08:11:52 07/06/17) I keep reading all these posts about how "fun" and amazing the AK-47 is. Meanwhile, all I can do is think about how many US servicemen and women it has killed, and continues to kill.

Yes, I have read how the gun can fire reliably while having lots of dirt and crud inside. ...Let's see, how many of our guys got killed by the thing? How many dangerous 3rd world countries are now fully armed with them?

I know we have better and more powerful weapons, as well as technology now, but the AK is still a force to be reckoned with under certain conditions!
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Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
 
Yup. He got a couple of dinners, a miserly pension, and some stamped
out medals. Leave it to a country with tractor factorys building
tanks, then let's build a cheep as you can get rifle with sloppy
tolerance fitting parts, and you can beat the crap out of it. Now here
is another way to look at it. Could you immagine a tank mechanic?
Walking into an army R&D center here in the USA with a full auto gun
that looks like you built it out of used crap from the junk pile
behind the chicken coop. They would laugh him out the door and then
sick the feds on him. People talk about flex, the Original design has
a MILLED reciever. Think the ones from Hungary still made that way.
Much more bucks. I used to shoot with a guy who was a bit g7n nutty
and he had a Dragon. That is the real spacey looking version with the
long barrel, a scope , and the bigger cartridge. Sniper stuff. It
just wasn't acurate enough for him so he spent a big bucket worth of
bucks and had a hand made target barrel very carefully fitted to it.
This gun was a total sleeper and could damn nere out shoot anything.
Garth sure liked his toys.
 
Guns kill people ..... we've all heard that one too often. I've yet to see or even hear about a gun jumping up on its own and killing
anything. Yes I agree, people kill people, no question about that. People with guns seem to manage to get the job done with very little
effort, just pull the trigger. No picking on the USA here but here's an article you might want to read. And yes, certain segments of the
population seem to be at risk and so on and so on but would you not agree that there is at least a bit of these stats that should make people
sit up and take notice?
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(quoted from post at 12:30:32 07/06/17) Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
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No kidding? REALLY?? Sheesh! Maybe that's why I was referring to its use DURING WARTIME!!

We just celebrated our Independence. Me? I'm still thinking about the many lives that have been given in the fight for that freedom, and going back much farther than the AK-47!

If you will please take notice, I made NO mention that someone shouldn't own one or shoot one!

Lots of folks get much pleasure from going to the gun range. Others love to go hunting. And others like to race, whether it be dragster, stock car, motorcycle or other. I have guns and I can use them, but for me they are tools; not toys. I'm not a thrill-seeker. That said, I DO NOT try to keep others from doing what they enjoy!!

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Please excuse my outburst, but I "HATE" it when people twist my words around!
 
Yes it is and if your happy with it that is all that counts. , myself i never liked them and that is me and as for the 223/5.56 round i guess it is ok . myself i am more of a bolt gun person and prefer the long shot . Now if i was to have a Military rifle it would have to be the M 14 because i know i can engage targets out to 800 meters and beyond if i have to . The big thing is i hope i never have to again . i had my fill of fire fights and i am one of them lucky one's as i came home but not with out leaving some hide behind and bad nightmare every so often . the plus side is i get free license plates and free drivers license .
 
My favorite rifle was my trusty Remington 550-1 .22 semi-auto with tube feed. ...At least until my eyes got as old as the rest of me. *lol* Now I prefer my 3-shot, bolt action .410 :wink:
 
Jeff try this one

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_Gun

IIRC the rifled barrel was produced by running rollers down a metal tube over an outside rifled mandrel
 
One thing you NEVER did in Marine Corps boot camp was call a rifle a gun. The consequences got your attention.
 
(quoted from post at 08:11:52 07/06/17) I keep reading all these posts about how "fun" and amazing the AK-47 is. Meanwhile, all I can do is think about how many US servicemen and women it has killed, and continues to kill.

Yes, I have read how the gun can fire reliably while having lots of dirt and crud inside. ...Let's see, how many of our guys got killed by the thing? How many dangerous 3rd world countries are now fully armed with them?

I know we have better and more powerful weapons, as well as technology now, but the AK is still a force to be reckoned with under certain conditions!
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How many 3rd world countries are armed with M16s? About 8 million M16s have been produced.

Our service members stand a chance of being on the receiving end or those too.

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 12:55:46 07/06/17) Yup. He got a couple of dinners, a miserly pension, and some stamped
out medals. Leave it to a country with tractor factorys building
tanks, then let's build a cheep as you can get rifle with sloppy
tolerance fitting parts, and you can beat the crap out of it. Now here
is another way to look at it. Could you immagine a tank mechanic?
Walking into an army R&D center here in the USA with a full auto gun
that looks like you built it out of used crap from the junk pile
behind the chicken coop. They would laugh him out the door and then
sick the feds on him. People talk about flex, the Original design has
a MILLED reciever. Think the ones from Hungary still made that way.
Much more bucks. I used to shoot with a guy who was a bit g7n nutty
and he had a Dragon. That is the real spacey looking version with the
long barrel, a scope , and the bigger cartridge. Sniper stuff. It
just wasn't acurate enough for him so he spent a big bucket worth of
bucks and had a hand made target barrel very carefully fitted to it.
This gun was a total sleeper and could damn nere out shoot anything.
Garth sure liked his toys.
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And Eugene Stoner, the guy who designed the AR series rifles that became the M16 became a wealthy man.

Rick
 
Just some reading material to help put it into perspective too.

https://www.unodc.org/gsh/
 
I guess it depends on what your version of sporterized is Jeff? I'd like to have a better trigger, fix up the stock with black walnut blended in to make it look like it was made that way, so at least it will fit me instead of the little Chinese guy it was made for. And when I do the stock, I'll just remove the little holder in the butt plate for the cleaning stuff, and I'd like to remove the cleaning rod and bracket under the barrel for it as well. Maybe a scope? I guess that'd make it sporterized then lol

Ross
 
Ditto tractor vet but I would hate to depend on 1 today. NVA also had a sniper rifle that was good for 5 or 6 rounds at 1000 yards, after that 300 yards was common. But You ate NVA, you carried NVA, you drank NVA, darn memories.
 
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