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What is your definition of Restored

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Sam the Man

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Looking for the definition of "restored" pertaining to old tractors. Seems like I see a lot of tractors peddlers advertise
"restored" when the tractor looks like it has been "repaired". What are your thoughts?
 
In my book 'restored' means every nut, bolt, bearing, gear and every other part is brought back to original specs. A real truest would paint it with the same old crappy paint they used 75 years ago to make it perfectly original but that's going too far.
 
Don't forget refurbished. To me a ground up restoration means that every nut and bolt as if the factory had to put the blasted thing back together. Operationally restored would be every little thing was checked and tweakeed and replaced if needed. That is what I did with my Husqvarna Garden tractor. Now you can have farmer restorations where you pressuer or steam clean and spray paint. Oh yea, don't forget new decals. There are some rattle can and paintbrush restorations out there too. Lastly putting lipstick on a pig. Seen plenty of those at an auction.
 
(quoted from post at 15:57:59 06/24/17) Don't forget refurbished. To me a ground up restoration means that every nut and bolt as if the factory had to put the blasted thing back together. Operationally restored would be every little thing was checked and tweakeed and replaced if needed. That is what I did with my Husqvarna Garden tractor. Now you can have farmer restorations where you pressuer or steam clean and spray paint. Oh yea, don't forget new decals. There are some rattle can and paintbrush restorations out there too. Lastly putting lipstick on a pig. Seen plenty of those at an auction.
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This, right here.
 
I want to see what JMS/MN says now that he's been to the Henry Ford Museum. LOL
When he left here,I told him that after he saw the ones there,he'd use those as a benchmark for "restored" from now on.
 
(quoted from post at 18:35:08 06/24/17) Looking for the definition of "restored" pertaining to old tractors. Seems like I see a lot of tractors peddlers advertise
"restored" when the tractor looks like it has been "repaired". What are your thoughts?
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As long as it does the job required, without leaking too much oil. :D
 
My definition is as follows. Stripped to bare metal. All dents in the sheet metal pounded out and smooth. All sheet metal will have body filler applied to cover any imperfection that pounding out the sheet metal left. Any rust pits filled with high build primer. High quality primer and paint applied. Every nut and bolt will be either replaced or the original will will be wire brushed and reused if possible. I paint my tractors to be trailer queens. If I am flush, I will use automotive paint. It is amazing what the the word "restored" means to some people. I went to look at a tractor that was "fully restored" once. It had a cheap paint job over all the old chipped paint and grease. It looked like someone had been pounding on it with a ball peen hammer. I drove up took one look and just got back in the truck and didn't say a word...

OTJ
 
Well really, it is impossible to get it back to the way it left the factory. For example, that would involve all new shafts and gears in the transmission and differential which is never done with anyone's restoration. And some of the paint jobs we've all seen are above and beyond what the factory ever dreamed of doing. I guess it's like trying to define any term .... different strokes for different folks and so on.
 
The term "restored" can mean something different to everybody.
A lot of Oliver tractors came from the factory with the wiring painted green. I've yet to see a restored Oliver that had painted wiring.
 
To me it means to bring it back to factory spec as in rebuild and replace what is needed to bring it back to as close to new as one can with out replacing things like transmission gears but things like rebuild the engine and replace any bearing out of spec. Or in other words it has to run and look like ti did the day it rolled out of the factory
 
We always tried to duplicate the tractors condition when it was unloaded in the farmers yard nearly sixty years ago. Can't say that everything was always perfect but we gave it our best effort.
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We get into that at the railroad museum where I am a member. If you have to replace most of it isn't it a replica now? Can't say I really care as long as it gets saved and at least looks and acts correct when finished.
 
Some of you might get a chuckle out of my idea of a "restored" Delco Remy generator I just did. Didn't want the poor output of the standard generator but wanted it to look authentic in place. Hogged out a "DR" 35 amp case and stuffed a "milled down" Kubota (Denso 98mm) 40 amp alternator inside. Wired to the original generator terminals. Even have a sawed off commutator in back in case someone looks there. You can get these for around $500 but they only have one terminal, a screen in back and no labels and won't fool anyone.
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I have seen that also in the rail magazine's. If you have to replace a boiler, tires, flues, tender bottom, brass blocks, wood cab, what ever. For crying out loud the railroads did that all of the time to engines. Class one or class four what ever overhaul an engine needed. If you have 50 % you might be on shaking ground but the dam thing is still running and thrilling people. Cut me a brake! Look at 5he UP with 4014. Can you picture yourself pulling every single bolt,nut,lube tube,and speck of dirt off of someting that massive? Heck the Britts cut up the last of a class almost 50 years ago and latter realised they screwed up, so they sold lottery tickets and built the Tornado. Of course you hear the purists bwich8n that is not original. Hey STUPID we built it the way it would have been built a couple of years ago on the erecting floor as of today. Please watch this video. It is one of the absolute best and fun show these nuts ever did. My jaw was on the floor for most of the hour show. LOVED it!!!! PS. Still think the train won!
top gear race.
 
Been there done that I will answer back to you. My restoration work some times breaks my wallet and still when I am done with just one tractor. I am still not happy some times with my restoration. I start with JUNK I buy form a salvage yard. I take it in peace's and then I get my book work on serial numbers, casting numbers and so on and till I want to quiet but can not. The question from me is are you like me? I love to look at a tractor that is like it was when it was order from the factory. To realize the options that are found on it was some thing new for the farmers to make there jobs easier. To bring it to a tractor show and here some body say (wow). this tractor looks like it just left the factory because the restoration is so close to the factory. Could it be you are like me with a very high restoration requirement. Like I said been there done that I have 9 farm tractors and in yet I am still working on them. How about you may I ask?
 
I have seen the others you talked about but what you show is just plain a bloomin peice of art. Very VERY nice work. And this way you don't need to make new brackets. Tee hee. Very nice work.
 
You are VERY correct. I think it is the Wisconsin historical site and there are a whole section of photos in the International factory. You see CUBS on conveyor hangers being painted and EVERYTHING is being PAINTED!!!!!
 
Actually I did have to make new brackets. Someone had put a 35 amp Delco alternator on the other (wrong) side and all the brackets were wrong and or missing. The brackets took only an hour to make up. The Gen/Alt conversion, while cheap, took a week of trial and fit machining.
 
There is no definition of restored as pertaining to vintage tractors.

Restored means various things to various people.

Dean
 
Tom the tractors you have "restored" are better than they were when new. I know they did not shine like yours do. LOL
 
J D,

You are so right about that. We have much superior products to work with today and I don't think many dealers took time to wax a tractor before they delivered it. Thanks for noticing. Tom
 
(quoted from post at 15:35:08 06/24/17) Looking for the definition of "restored" pertaining to old tractors. Seems like I see a lot of tractors peddlers advertise
"restored" when the tractor looks like it has been "repaired". What are your thoughts?
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"Restored" means the tractor has been brought back to its original, just off the assembly line, condition. Anything else is considered to be a repair or a customization.
 
Get the tractor running and cranks when I want to use it.I'm not into tractors to fix up,high $$$ paint job and scared to even crank them up much less use them.Had a few like that for awhile sold them all I'd much rather have a good running old tractor that I can use it when I want and for what it was intended for in the first place.
 
"Restored" and "rebuilt" are terms that get abused. "Restored" to what? Original mechanical condition? "Restored" to running condition? "Restored" cosmetically? Painted so it looks different then it did new? The word needs context.

Same with "rebuilt." I was looking for new injector nozzles for my Ford IH diesel and one diesel shop tried to sell me "rebuilt" nozzles. I asked what the heck that was supposed to mean? He says he cleans and tests them and that makes them "rebuilt" according to him. NO THANKS. To me, "rebuilt" in that context means the old injector holders with brand new nozzles (that only cost $8 each). To me, to "rebuild" is to restore all wear-item parts back to new specs as far as fit goes. If I rebuild a worn engine, surfaces like cylinder walls, piston-ring lands, cam and crank bearings, valves and seats, oil pump, et. all get renewed in some way. Yet - diesel shops sell patched up injection pumps with very high hours on most parts and sold as-is as "rebuilt?"
 
I agree, back to factory condition. Too many guys run a tractor through a car wash, squirt some paint at it, and call it restored.
 
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