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Roundup and non-Hodgekins lymphoma

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Mike(NEOhio)

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I heard an ad for a law firm on the radio today. Said there could be compensation for people who were exposed to Roundup and that there is a connection to non-Hodgekins lymphoma. The first I'd heard of this. Or is it just some lawyers trying to enlist plaintiffs for a class action?
 
I have no dog in the hunt, but to the best of my knowledge, no link has ever been made between Roundup and Cancer.
 
The way I look at it, be exposed to any chemical long enough, if it doesn't give you cancer, it sure won't do your body much good.
 
if you say there is a problem long enough suddenly one will appear when the lawyers take it to court. Never been a link with roundup and health problems.
 
Since we don't know what cause's cancer,lawyers will make a case for anything causeing it. It's about like saying if you have ever drove a Ford and later had bad vison,call our law firm.
 
I heard that agent orange and roundup are almost the same. Agent orange caused a lot of birth defects to children in Vietnam. There are pictures of them on the internet.
 
People with an agenda that is against all forms of chemicals are trying to work their way around science through law suits. Greed is the motivator behind the lawyers and a personal crusade behind many of the rest.

I do not believe that bathing everything in chemicals is a good thing but I also do not want to go back in time to no chemical usage either. There is the truth in the middle of there some where. The trouble is both sides are lying to us to support their agenda. The actual facts/data is being gamed by both sides so your left with confusion. So many are acting on their "feelings" only. This is more dangerous than anything else. As many have zero idea of how things actually work in the food supply of the country/world.
 
I have heard that add also, but in reality, roundup has always been said to be about the safest herbicide ever used. Much safer than plain old 2-4 D which is more similar to agent orange. Any mechanic knows that he has constantly been exposed to asbestos in gaskets, brakes, clutch's, and every carburetor cleaner, parts cleaning solution along with used engine oil will kill you almost instantly if you listen to the lawyer adds. Be careful but you cannot lock your self in a bubble.
 
This is NOT True. Agent Orange was a mixture of 2 chemicals- 2,4-D and 2,4,5-t. 2,4,5-t was the culprit in the birth defects... it was impossible to manufacture without some impurities. That impurity was a chemical called dioxin. Dioxin can cause cancer and birth defects. It was also used for awhile as fire retardant.

Production of 2,4,5-t ended I believe in the early 70's.

Round-up and 2,4-d (both still on the market) are nothing alike.

Is it possible roundup causes cancer? Maybe. Lots of things do. The World Health Organization classed it as a probable carginogen for awhile. I am told they also had another product, coffee, listed in the same risk class.

As with all things there are risks!
 
Couple people around me have some experience, the good doctors say there is no such link, despite a lot of studies including nearby university, they are unable to show that as a reality.

I've seen those ads for several months now, on the minor tv channels.

Also many others, if you take any of the blood thinners out there been ads for suing over them, as well as hernia repair, and many more.

Ambulance chasers......

Paul
 
(quoted from post at 20:56:15 06/13/17) This is NOT True. Agent Orange was a mixture of 2 chemicals- 2,4-D and 2,4,5-t. 2,4,5-t was the culprit in the birth defects... it was impossible to manufacture without some impurities. That impurity was a chemical called dioxin. Dioxin can cause cancer and birth defects. It was also used for awhile as fire retardant.

Production of 2,4,5-t ended I believe in the early 70's.

Round-up and 2,4-d (both still on the market) are nothing alike.
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Yes, please help spread the word that Roundup and Agent Orange are not the same thing. It is a popular myth on the internet. All I can say is if Roundup (glyphosate) is carcinogenic then most of our farmers are in big trouble as it is the most widely used herbicide today. The last verdict I heard is that glyphosate is probably not carcinogenic.
 
(quoted from post at 22:32:11 06/13/17) I heard an ad for a law firm on the radio today. Said there could be compensation for people who were exposed to Roundup and that there is a connection to non-Hodgekins lymphoma. The first I'd heard of this. Or is it just some lawyers trying to enlist plaintiffs for a class action?
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With the kind of logic that is used in class action cases now days it could also be said that dill pickles cause cancer. 98% of all cancer patients have eaten a dill pickle within 2 years. It's also been proven that 95% of all statistics are made up on the spot 85% of the time and are believed by 55% of the people.
 
There is plenty of evidence that Roundup is causing health problems but just like when tobacco studies came out the growers and companies making money off tobacco kept to the story line that
it was harmless,you had to die from something,etc etc, the usual fall back arguments.
 
I went over the supposed list where glyphosfate was supposed to be on, its over 900 chemicals easily found by googling it, I bet I read that list 5 times it was dated 1/27/2017, no where did I find glyphosfate but some of the things on there would surprise you, the usual atrazine , nicotine, acetoclor and aloclor, gas and diesel fumes, alchohol, braken ferns, wood dust , coconut oil , caffeine, where all on that list , but no roundup? glyphosfate was good reading
 
(quoted from post at 07:19:36 06/14/17) 100% of people who drink water die.
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True dat. :lol: :lol: From the responses posted, I just hope that there are some YT members on the juries for the lawsuits.

Just heard yesterday that some woman here in Michigan got groped on a flight by a guy and is suing the airline for $10 million. She said that since he had been caught "pleasuring" himself earlier on the plane that the flight attendants were at fault because they allowed him to move about the plane. Now logically how would this have worked? How could they prevent him from getting up from his seat? If they HAD, he would have sued them for "false imprisonment". All he had to do was say he had to go to the restroom. He and only he is responsible for the assault. Plus, $10 million for a grab? C'mon. Want to sue someone? Sue him.
 
Big thing here is human nature. One side is willing to believe what they want because it makes them money, so they believe a for profit company and use a product. The other side doesn't trust that company yet is jealous of those who are making more money. In both cases it's human nature, jealousy and greed.

Also studies can be skewed by factors outside of the nature of the study. Keep in mind that almost all studies are conducted at colleges. Many companies donate large sums of money to said colleges. In fact many companies directly pay colleges to perform studies trying to prove a product is safe. They control studies by cutting off donations or funding for said studies.

Another factor that effects studies is personal agenda. Environmental studies tend to follow that path.

In the case of Roundup and GMO's I think time will be the deciding factor. When the CDC can actually come out and say farmers who use Roundup have the same risk of cancer as everyone else (remember that exposure risks may not show up for decades) or that there is a different in rates with those who use it.

What I do know, judging by my local area, is that it seems (I'm not actually tracking numbers) that most farmers and farm families are having issues with cancer in my area that non farm families. From Roundup? Don't know? From other chemicals they have been exposed to? Don't know?

What I do know is that the argument about this will continue until there is proof positive that both sides accept.

Rick
 
Agent Orange was made up of 2,4-D 2,4,5-T and the dixon TCDD. The most toxic chemical they had at the time. I think DEET was also involved. Allot different stuff than Roundup.I suffer from it today. Just as many of us nam vets do.But the VA doesn't want to admit it. Try and get the care you need and they will block every move you make. Of the 14 I went over with. Six died from leukemia,3 from Hodgkin's lymphoma. Three killed themselves waiting on VA help. The last guy died from bone cancer,which is what I have. I and the other guy know we are dead just waiting.

My father used Roundup all his life. Never had a problem with it. I think the TV lawyers are just after money. If you read the fine print.
 
A simple question about a certain stock potential manipulation and it's impact on you came up on the www. I was affected and answered the question, not knowing where it would go. Next thing I know I get this "hookup" with a law firm. In short the whole smell of the thing was not to my liking and I did not sign their papers as presented and was told that "it's their way or no way"....fine.
 
(quoted from post at 23:42:44 06/13/17) I heard that agent orange and roundup are almost the same. Agent orange caused a lot of birth defects to children in Vietnam. There are pictures of them on the internet.
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Not even in the ball park. Agent Orange was full of dioxin, one of the most poisonous chemicals ever made. Roundup is darned sure not dioxin.
 
Many towns have added reverse osmosis water purification to their water systems. I don't know if it is cost effective at the single house-hold scale yet.
 
After reading all this, here is my problem with Round-up (Glyphosate) It was never designed to be sprayed directly on the product that will be consumed by humans. It was never intended for a farmer to spray it directly on a crop of wheat that has already headed out for the sole reason of artificially ripening the whole field at the same time for ease , efficiency of harvest and the resulting additional profit from not having any "green" wheat at harvest time from late ripening pockets in the field. This is sprayed directly on the heads od wheat that make your bread. Why does everyone have gluten intolerance all of the sudden ? The incidence of this directly follows the beginning of the wheat spraying practice a few years ago. Just asking , I was raised on the farm and all out families were farmers. Doesn't mean they always made the best decisions about these things , but I don't remember ever spraying or treating the actual end product we were going to be consuming either.
 
I saw it yesterday and thought the same. Was just reading in the last day or two the WHO I think it was declared it passed the test. Not a carc. Just trolling, starting some stink to make some money......settle out of court where you don't have to prove anything.
 
Along these lines I used to ride my bike through clouds of DDT that were sprayed for mosquitoes in our hood weekly, every summer, for years in S. TX. Old army jeeps with spray rigs. Great sport. I've passed the ? century mark, had 4 kids and still going strong. So much for that.
 
(quoted from post at 04:25:30 06/15/17) Along these lines I used to ride my bike through clouds of DDT that were sprayed for mosquitoes in our hood weekly, every summer, for years in S. TX. Old army jeeps with spray rigs. Great sport. I've passed the ? century mark, had 4 kids and still going strong. So much for that.
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DTT is a different chemical. So what's your point? Not every chemical is the same nor does everyone's body reacts the same too.

Got one local farm family here, 2 brothers, separate farms who have a rash of cancer problems, both brothers, both of their wifes and a couple of the kids. The dad didn't use chemicals but both boys really got into them when they took over their respective shares of the farm. The younger of the 2 died 3 years ago at 56. The others including the widow are still fighting it. Too much chemicals? Too much sun? Don't know. Improperly handled?

Just too many unanswered questions.

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 18:22:02 06/14/17) After reading all this, here is my problem with Round-up (Glyphosate) It was never designed to be sprayed directly on the product that will be consumed by humans. It was never intended for a farmer to spray it directly on a crop of wheat that has already headed out for the sole reason of artificially ripening the whole field at the same time for ease , efficiency of harvest and the resulting additional profit from not having any "green" wheat at harvest time from late ripening pockets in the field. This is sprayed directly on the heads od wheat that make your bread. .
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I have seen a lot of that happening here in the last decade. While it certainly helps even out crops and speed up harvesting I have to wonder just how safe it is to have glyphosate on the seeds so close to harvest time.
It is good for us as farmers but is it also good for us as consumers of that grain?
 
(quoted from post at 08:25:30 06/15/17) Along these lines I used to ride my bike through clouds of DDT that were sprayed for mosquitoes in our hood weekly, every summer, for years in S. TX. Old army jeeps with spray rigs. Great sport. I've passed the ? century mark, had 4 kids and still going strong. So much for that.
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DDT was never carcinogenic and it never affected the shells of birds of prey. But that was how the ban DDT agenda was sold back in the 60's and 70's. I didn't know it was all a big lie until recently. While I wouldn't drink DDT or Roundup, used with intelligence and caution, both are useful tools.

https://spectator.org/48925_ddt-fraud-and-tragedy/
 
(quoted from post at 15:17:27 06/15/17)
(quoted from post at 04:25:30 06/15/17) Along these lines I used to ride my bike through clouds of DDT that were sprayed for mosquitoes in our hood weekly, every summer, for years in S. TX. Old army jeeps with spray rigs. Great sport. I've passed the ? century mark, had 4 kids and still going strong. So much for that.
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DTT is a different chemical. So what's your point? Not every chemical is the same nor does everyone's body reacts the same too.

Got one local farm family here, 2 brothers, separate farms who have a rash of cancer problems, both brothers, both of their wifes and a couple of the kids. The dad didn't use chemicals but both boys really got into them when they took over their respective shares of the farm. The younger of the 2 died 3 years ago at 56. The others including the widow are still fighting it. Too much chemicals? Too much sun? Don't know. Improperly handled?

Just too many unanswered questions.

Rick
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Some people are cancer prone; the gene that controls cell growth is defective. And cancer is just uncontrolled cell growth. The really screwed ones are those that have the defective growth gene combined with another defective gene that controls the immune system.

These are the people that die from cancer before 40, the immune system doesn't recognize the cancer cells and kill them. So they die young.

From what they've found about cancer, the bad gene is passed down thru the family. Then about a third of cancers, it's just luck of the draw if you get the messed up genes. No family history of cancer, but they get it anyway.

You see it when somebody smokes a pack or two every day and lives to 100.

Others die of lung cancer without ever smoking one pack.

My brother has been working in Big Pharmaceuticals for 20 years. He told me they're working on cancer cures by changing the defective genes; they've pretty much reached as far as they can with the drug therapy.


If Round Up was really toxic, you'd see the people making it have high rates of certain cancers or other issues. But you don't.

Back in the '80s they were making a pesticide in the Central Valley in Cali. After a couple years they noticed none of the 200+ guys working there had knocked up the wife. It was the pesticide, so that disappeared. Then they started knocking up the wives.....
 
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