way Off Topic :Minnesota art

All,

This ones a doozy. We've enjoyed "suffered" many so called arts here. We've been exposed to ridiculous arts that have a woman sitting on a copier, unclothed, but have to accept that as art.

There is a limit to what is an art, the problem is that the Minnidiots say every thing is art, regardless of the profane.

It is outside of any real legislative control. We must provide tax funds regardless of scrutiny, per the new amendment.

I have to wake folks up to the fact that they are funding this nuttiness. They say the bill "we" voted fro (clean water), turns out they also voted in an amendment that is outside of legislative control and constitutionally a must.

D.

Speaking as a long-time Minnesotan (transplanted from Iowa 33 years ago), I can attest that nothing is too nutty for the Land of 10,000 Flakes.

I take it that you are talking about the so-called art thing at the Walker Art center!! Talk about an arrogant stupid twit that calls himself an artist even in his so called apology he can't get it right.
GB in MN

Since I moved here nearly 20 years ago, have commonly heard of this state as "The Great Socialist State of Minnesota". ...One of the reasons we live in the middle of NO-WHERE!! A large town in our area is Thief River Falls....what's that, less than 10,000 population? And it's 1.5 hours away!

Yeah, pretty much anything can be called "art", from the everyday normal to the extremely twisted and warped. As for the people voting for something, they learned that trick from watching Big Brother in DC. We've had 2 school tax hikes in the past 4 years or so, and the first one (which is just getting warmed up now) is going to end up quadrupling many folks property taxes. Yet, another tax hike went through just a couple of years later.

If people don't get it yet, I doubt they ever will. Oh, and this ridiculous idea that school kids who don't have a "smart phone" should get one issued to them from school....what a crock!! Laptops, tablets - next thing you know all college fees in the state will be coming from idiots voting for a property tax hike!

My nephew is an artist up there, I wonder sometimes what he is thinking, based on work.

I went to the Walker art center with my adult daughter a couple of years ago. Some was interesting, much was strange, some was pretty neat, and some was so filthy that it could only be described as depraved. I won't ever be back. We have two of the nuttiest senators in Washington DC. We have a burnt out drug addict as a governor. It is a great place to live but conservatives don't get their way much.

I was born here and have lived and worked here in MN 62 of my 72 years. We have a pretty good state, but not perfect in anyone's point of view. I well remember that amendment to our state constitution, it took a lot of votes from registered voters (not politicians!) to get it passed. In order to provide enough "yes" votes, some strange coalitions were formed. There were not enough art and theater lovers to pass an amendment supporting the arts, and likewise there were not enough people who wanted the clean waters for fishing and other recreations. We really needed to clean up the rivers and streams, as about 3 million Minnesotans are drinking water processed from the Mississippi, and the Minnesota rivers. In my view, the arts is optional, but the deal was made marrying these 2 very different groups, and the amendment was passed. Take note: constitutional amendments are extremely difficult to reverse or nullify. So we live with a very strange deal that provides funding for some crazy stuff I don't appreciate nor understand. In the current news cycle is a gross piece representing the scaffolding that 32 Native Americans were hung at following the Sioux uprising in the 1860's. The mass hanging was approved by Pres Abe Lincoln. How the heck that can be considered "art" being publicly displayed at the Walker Art Center, I just don't understand. And I guess that a whole lot of other people don't understand how such a tragic part of our State's history can be considered art either. So with protests, it will be dismantled next week, and burned. Shameful waste of money as I see it! I hope some "art director" gets fired for this disgusting episode.

As more amendments to our State's constitution are proposed, I hope that all voters take time to read the news, become informed, and make smart decisions. They will live with the results for many decades, and so will their children.

Paul in MN

Galen,

I strongly disagree with your assessments of our Senators and Governor.

Paul in MN

I will agree the senior senator is a decent (I disagree with her most of the time though) person , but the other should go back to Saturday night live.

Art is whatever an artist says is art. An artist is anyone who says that he/she is one. This deception is easily carried out on idiots who are afraid to appear ignorant, unsophisticated and provincial by not lauding whatever ridiculous "art" creation is placed before them.

Art is a reflection of the changing culture . And many of the "artist" , whether musicians , actors , writers , singers , or painters, too often seem to be folks plagued with psychological problems , and drug addiction. So is it any wonder how the "art" they create appears ?

Thaat's why I never vote for an amendment. It always has something hidden in it to mean the opposite of what one is led to believe. TDF

Galen,

To your last three sentences... Amen! AMEN! and Amen!

Minnesota is divided into 'The Cities', 'Up North (formerly mining and forestry, now hunting fishing vacationland)" and "Southern waste land where taxes come from (formerly farm ground)".

It is quite disappointing how this great state has divided itself into its own special interests, and how the city folk demand those in other parts need to live and work.

Paul

(quoted from post at 20:14:46 06/01/17) Galen,

I strongly disagree with your assessments of our Senators and Governor.

Paul in MN

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LOL and I strongly disagree with your view of those clowns! I feel like I have no representation at all at the senate level.

And the governor? Getting a stadium on the tax payers back? The money that will bring into the state will go into a few people's pockets in the twin cities area and the tax dollars spent will never be recovered in the life of the building (I really hope that at the super bowl to be played there Green Bay or the Cowboys will be one of the teams playing). The lite rail system? What a joke. Subsidized according to the state by about 65%, but according to an independent watchdog group more like 85%. And he wants to expand it? At more tax payer cost? I honestly can't think of one thing he's done I approve of.

Rick

Just because Governor Goofy falls off the podium a couple times...

When they built the St. Cloud Library some years back they put art on the wall screen next to the loading dock. The screen is made up of bent pipe and big glass bobbles. It looks like they went down to Lincoln Ave and got some exhaust pipe and hub caps and welded them up in a hap hazard pattern. Since then the Arborvitae they planted had grown to cover the majority of the art. win some, lose some.

Minnesotans aren't the only nuts. I saw where a statue of a "wizzing" dog was placed next to the "defiant girl" statue that was placed in front of the "bull" on Wall Street. The wizzing dog is apparently placed so it appears to be watering the girl's shoe.
I don't know if that is funny or sad.

Artists have always been wackos. But the definition of 'anything is art' is pure nonsense.

The quality of art was once held to a high standard ... and fine art was the highest form ... the painters and sculptors, beginning in the late 1800's -- Classic Art. There are still many fine artists today who stick to a high standard and they are the vast majority and the only one's who really can make a living at it.

The idiots who put filth and garbage in local museums (like the Walker Art center) are mostly college professors .. and everyone know's what disease they suffer from -- liberalism.

I took a few art classes in college and my professor would gather dead birds he had found and glue them to a board that was painted like a road surface with a yellow center line and tire tracks ... as if the birds had been run over -- he was one sick mofo.

(quoted from post at 06:52:00 06/02/17) I took a few art classes in college ...

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Glad to see you're feeling better now! :lol:

SweetFeet -- Amen to that!! :wink:

The last amendment, on November"s election, was poorly publicized...on purpose...so few people knew about it, and now the legislative pay is decided by a committee, instead of them having to vote for their own raises. And be responsible to the voters. Yeah, brilliant.

Well, I guess I have an 'out' if the city ever gets after me for the tractors I have... I can just deem them art, and maybe they can't say anything? (Ramsey, MN resident). LOL! I guess I better start looking for another project (even though I have 5-6 right now)!

My wife puts way too much pepper in her stew recipe. Any comments here on the YT tractor forum how to deal with that?

Next time she does that, in your sterne st voice say " YOU LISTEN UP AND LISTEN GOOD BECAUSE IF I HAVE TO SAY IT AGAIN YOU WOULDN'T LIKE IT!YOU ARE MAKING MY STEW ALL WRONG AND IT'S GOING TO STOP RIGHT HERE AND NOW! YOU WILL MAKE MY STEW HOW I LIKE IT AND WHEN I WANT IT. THERE IS TOO MUCH PEPPER IN IT AND IT'S STOPPING NOW" . Feel free to add anything you like to this. I can just about guarantee she will never put too much pepper in your stew again

Probably good advice but I think I'll suffer through the pepper issue if that's the solution. Meals might be even more difficult should I try your approach ..... ha!

Almost all dictionary interpretations of the word art contain the word beauty as well. So by definition if art is to contain beauty that eliminates a lot of garbage that is not art. If you want to get a kick out of the phoniness of the real art world read the book " A PAINTED WORD " by Tom Wolfe. One guy painted the canvas white and the critics raved about it { it was white nothing else] . They described the beautiful flatness of it all. Pieces Jackson Pollack did when he was drunk hang in The Metropolitan Museum of Art. He laughed all the way to the bank.

Yeah, now that you mention it there may be better ways. Guess I'll never replace Dear Abby.

Pepper is delicious, I put on almost anything but fruit

"Art" is one of the things near the top of the list of "things in this world which make no logical sense".

As far as our politicians go---yes, our governor is a joke! And that's the nicest thing I can say about him.

Are you talking about the Dakota War gallows that was recently removed?

Art sounds like the misplaced priority. "The Somali-American community has been hit hardest by the outbreak. And while there's been a rush to immunize children against the measles, experts say the outbreak is looking more like a marathon than a sprint. "