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The claim the Organic Valley has hot loads of milk is BS

rockyridgefarm

rockyridgefarm

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I saw on a lower post that someone was claiming that OV has the worst record for dumping hot loads. My neighbor is an employee that works in quality control at OV and I asked him about this comment. He tells me that it is completely BS. In the past 5 years, he thinks OV has had two hot loads - one was hot because the farmer had a screwup with his cleaning system and dumped a bunch of cleaner in the milk, and the other was a cow that was treated and due to be picked up the day she was treated, but the hired man accidently milked her. You can treat sick organic cows, but they then have to be sold conventionally. OV has some of the highest standards in the industry when it comes to quality of milk.

I'm a member of OV, and definitely have my differences with the Co-op, but it really irks me when people spread BS like "OV has the worst record for hot loads".
 
I make no claim to know anything about milk production, organic or otherwise. So my comment relates to posts on open
discussion forums like this one. Any post you read here or elsewhere is of course, just the opinion of the poster. Because
there is no monitoring of the posts and their accuracy, everything we read here is subject to at least some degree of
suspicion, especially when something is getting panned or in dispute. Just a suggestion to keep that in mind when making or
replying to posts here on the YT site. Now, I'm gonna crawl down off this old soapbox and put my two cents back in my pocket.
 
I was the one who made the post. If it offended you, I'm sorry, but re-read the post again.

I mentioned that it was 10-12 years ago, and may indeed have been longer ago than that. But it was reported in the WI State Farmer at the time. At some point in time every milk coop has probably had the title!

If you think I am full of it, that's OK. But I'm not trying to BS anyone here.
 
Hold the phone here!

"and the other was a cow that was treated and due to be picked up the day she was treated,"

And who is going to take a cow with antibiotics in her??????

You might know the milk man that told me this, some White guy that lives around you! Take it up with him! LOL
 
(quoted from post at 12:37:56 05/15/17) Hold the phone here!

"and the other was a cow that was treated and due to be picked up the day she was treated,"

And who is going to take a cow with antibiotics in her??????

You might know the milk man that told me this, some White guy that lives around you! Take it up with him! LOL
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White? He's right down the road, has big Belgian horses he buys and sells to the Amish. Always running them up and down county K, dragging an old payloader tire. I'm not sure I'd take the word of a guy who drives for AMPI on other Co-operatives....

Dunno who would take an animal treated with antibiotics, but those are the rules - you can treat a sick cow, but then you can never use her organically again, so she has to be sold.

Nearly 30 years ago, CROPP (the real name of OV) was just a bunch of farmers in Vernon and Crawford county who got sick of getting shafted by the big Co-ops. They got together and made their own Co-op. Nowadays, they've gotten so big that they are the guys doing the shafting. The assemblyman from down here is a CROPP farmer. He's expanding from 250 to 600 cows while everyone else is being told to cut back.
 
So if a cow gets sick they treat it so it
won't die but then it's never good enough
for the tree huggers to drink it's milk?
What do they do if there children get sick?
Treat them and then disown them? No wonder
our county is a mess!!
 
The discussion (in a lower post) was on "cheating" in organics... or really, could be any aspect of agriculture. The initial bit was on imported grains, that shifted to grains and livestock in the US, and then I brought up the past in dairy, and now we are here. I'll drop it here.
 
I'm guessing the animals are treated, milk discarded, and sold to someone once they test clean. They certainly would be worth more then.
I'd have a hard time selling a good cow because she had to be treated for two days...
 
No,so the cow that was treated with antibiotics "was due to be picked up" and enter the food chain in the meat. Real nice.
 
Most of the organic dairies around here (western Washington) ship to Organic Valley, and I think they play by the rules. Two have installed robotic milkers, which they probably couldn't have afforded at regular milk prices.

I've heard of some big dairies (in California, mostly) who have both an organic dairy, and a conventional (two completely separate facilities). All the first calf heifers go into the organic dairy, and are milked there as long as possible, but if they get mastitis that can't be treated organically, they go over to the conventional dairy and get treated, where they then stay. They situate the facilities so the organic dairy has good access to the required pasture- forage that's too far away for walking cows is chopped and hauled to the conventional dairy. I suppose it is not in the spirit of the bucolic images you see for organic stuff, but if they play by the rules, what's the problem?
 
Picked up can simply mean that she's being shipped to a conventional farm. I don't know why people always assume the worst. A farm not far from me people always say it's organic but i know it's conventional I've seen it sprayed and smelled the spray. They plant in june and picks in February but because it's a mess people always assume it's organic.
 
Even in conventional dairy if a cow is sick or otherwise needs antibiotics they are milked separately and the milk discarded , every dairys milk has a sample taken from every load and all the samples are tested before the truck unloads , if anything is detected in the milk, it is refused and the dairy that tainted the load is liable . That is how it was explained to me . That is not organic , just conventional. So I think our milk is pretty safe . Maybe there are shady operations in some places , but I would think few in todays highly regulated world.
 
Another reason to own your own milk cow....you just never know what is in the milk, unless you own the cow. MUCH healthier in the long run....
 
(quoted from post at 01:26:07 05/16/17) No,so the cow that was treated with antibiotics "was due to be picked up" and enter the food chain in the meat. Real nice.
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No that's not how it works most of the time. She would probably be sold to a conventional farmer who would withhold the milk and put her in his string after the withholding period. That's the way we did it.
 
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