Would somebody explain something to me........

NY 986 · May 12, 2017

Why would you own a piece of equipment for many years that you despise or does not perform the way it should? I understand that in the short term (1,2, or 3 years) that you are stuck with it. The dealer will not offer a decent trade-in value or something more pressing came up. That sometimes something was misrepresented (even intentionally) and you got stuck. But why own such a piece for many many years before doing something about it?

Cheesehead Fred · May 12, 2017

"Don't look for logic where there isn't any!"
A good friend once told me this, and it has saved me a lot of time.....

Cheesehead Fred · May 12, 2017

" Don't look for logic where there isn't any!"
A good friend told me this a while back, and it has saved me a ot of time......

stonerock · May 12, 2017

dont buy something you dont want or need, sell things you dont need anymore

NY 986 · May 12, 2017

Kind of my thinking as well. By the way we are talking about corn planters which are a rather critical piece of equipment. If somebody is not smart enough to figure their potential yield loss due to an inferior planter I don't know why they even bother. I am not talking about anybody on this board by the way.

kcm.MN · May 12, 2017

I agree with Fred. However, I'm the type that always has to find a reason or meaning for things, so got LOTS of unanswered questions rolling around in my pea brain! I think they've started taking up the sport of demolition derby! :shock:

RLA · May 12, 2017

Some people hang on to stuff just because it's theirs..... I have a neighbor he purchased the VERY Nicest 1947 John Deere B's I ever saw,
paid way to much for it at the time. The man who owned ( Which I know ) the tractor never sat out side idle since he owned it. The man who
bought it, it has never sat one moment inside & it is parked in the same place after he drove it home 25 years ago. The purchaser used it once
or twice & doesn't like a hand clutch....

JMOR · May 12, 2017

(quoted from post at 13:33:38 05/12/17) Why would you own a piece of equipment for many years that you despise or does not perform the way it should? I understand that in the short term (1,2, or 3 years) that you are stuck with it. The dealer will not offer a decent trade-in value or something more pressing came up. That sometimes something was misrepresented (even intentionally) and you got stuck. But why own such a piece for many many years before doing something about it?

ummm, for a minute there, I thought this was going to be about wives!

Determined · May 12, 2017

Would be great to have a new haybine instead of the old swather and crimper I use now.

Would be nice to have a new wheel rake instead of the old bar rakes I use now.

A shinny new truck to haul bales with would sure look good in the yard instead of old rusty.

All of these get used for a couple of weeks each year so trying to justify upgrading them does not pencil out.

A couple of weeks of cursing each year still beats cursing a big loan payment.

NY 986 · May 12, 2017

I am talking one piece of equipment. Also, one that when "the curtains go up" it needs to do its thing and do it well. Nobody is talking about buying new for the sake of buying new when the old one does well enough with a minimum of coaxing. For that matter it does not take a new planter to do a first rate job in the field. JD MaxEmerge has been out for over forty years and I know of units that are not pretty but the critical parts have been maintained. Could not tell the difference between the job it did and a similar unit brand new off the dealer's lot. I might still have my old 7000 if it was not eaten out from rust. It was pretty rusty when I got it but got over twenty years out of it but decided for the cost of seed and the pursuit of profit that it was time I got something that could use current monitor technology and have a frame truly heavy enough for no-till or minimum till applications. The planter in question is basically 1950's technology that its owner expects is going to match a new planter in 2017 in terms of performance.

oldtanker · May 12, 2017

Some people just can't afford it for various reasons. Too much debt load, unexpected expensive repairs, paying a lawyer trying to keep junior out of jail. Even unexpected medical bills. They got injured by livestock, rolled a tractor, PTO encounter or traffic accident. Others are just hard headed and going to "make that darned thing work". Each has their own reasons.

Rick

NY 986 · May 12, 2017

I think hard headed would best describe what I am talking about. But you are right in that a lot of people have things going on that nobody is aware of so they can not make the moves they would like to make. The bottom line for me is a subpar corn planter is only going to cost money versus making money. I was not flush with cash when I went to my JD 7000 back in 1990 but my IH 400 was not doing a good job of covering seed in the clay even if the ground was worked well and it was heart breaking to go out in the field and find a poor stand in the tough parts of a field while combining.

rlp in Co. · May 12, 2017

I have a neighbor that still has every car, truck, tractor and implement that he bought.

EFV · May 12, 2017

What model planter is this frustrating antique ?

JMOR · May 12, 2017

(quoted from post at 17:27:42 05/12/17) I think hard headed would best describe what I am talking about. But you are right in that a lot of people have things going on that nobody is aware of so they can not make the moves they would like to make. The bottom line for me is a subpar corn planter is only going to cost money versus making money. I was not flush with cash when I went to my JD 7000 back in 1990 but my IH 400 was not doing a good job of covering seed in the clay even if the ground was worked well and it was heart breaking to go out in the field and find a poor stand in the tough parts of a field while combining.

e happy, be thankful that you do not have a planter problem. :wink:

rrlund · May 12, 2017

I'll tell you,I know people who still say to buy what you can afford now,then trade up when you find what you want,but the few times I tried that in my younger days,I always ended up owning two. I was the end of the rainbow. The last one stupid enough to buy what I didn't want in the first place. I'd have to be pretty desperate to get a job done to ever do it again. Have I bought things since then that could have been a better fit,yes,I found that out,but I don't buy what I don't want intentionally,thinking somebody will take it off my hands. That somebody always ends up being the scrap yard.

neverfear · May 12, 2017

LOL! rrlund , It sounds like our luck comes from the same kettle! Good post!

NY 986 · May 12, 2017

It's an IH which does not make it a bad planter. It is what it is. A planter that is most likely 50 years old and is equipped with runners versus disc openers. Plate planter that probably has a lot of wear on the drive. Can't expect a machine like that even in new condition is going to match something with double disc openers, plateless, gauge wheels at the seed drop point, trench closing system, etc. I don't know the guy well but I understand he plants more than a couple of acres with it.

Dick2 · May 12, 2017

Dad kept the 1948 Model D JD that he bought new way too long. After he passed away, my brother gave it to our nephew who was started collecting 2-cylinder Deeres. Then he got married and that was the end of collecting. His son is now collecting 4-cylinder tractors - at least until he gets married and finances dictate otherwise.

rrlund · May 12, 2017

Keep something long enough,it becomes valuable again. Unfortunately,I always get sick of looking at something and dump it a week before that happens.

John B. · May 12, 2017

Well if it's 50+ years old that takes us back to the mid late 1960's to mid 70's. Good planters were in use for 10-20 years, just before that horses were used. Going to a tractor pulled implement mad almost everyone feel good.

I'm sure everyone is like me. That when you buy something and it makes you feel really good you try to hold onto that feeling for as long as you can. But there does come a time when you have to realize you need to live in the present.

Stephen Newell · May 12, 2017

Sometimes you don't have the time to deal with a problem. I bought an old tractor and you can't depend on it to start. Most of the time if the tractor isn't up to running temperature it will start but if you get it running you have to leave it running. Once you shut it off it's like the battery is dead when it's not and the engine will only turn one revolution at a time.

MarkB_MI · May 13, 2017

Actually psychologists have studied this behavior. I just finished Michael Lewis's book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GI6S7EK/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1">[i:654c4848f0]The Undoing Project[/i:654c4848f0]</a>, where he describes the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endowment_effect">"endowment effect"</a>. People think things they own are worth more than identical items they don't own.

steve terplak · May 13, 2017

Also see Daniel Kahneman "Loss Aversion" in the field of behavioral economics.

John Deere D · May 13, 2017

Being Married and having a machine around that is high maintenance is very much the same. I always down sizes machinery that is a drain on the bank account as I had to do with my first wife.

Would somebody explain something to me........

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