Quick Poll.........

Goose

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We have an interesting situation coming up in our county.

This coming June, an event similar to a drag race will be held for the second year in a row. Several miles of a county highway will be blocked off and cars will be timed individually over a half mile and a full mile. Cars are run one at a time and compete against the clock instead of competing against another car. These are not special race cars, anyone who wants to see what their car, including a daily driver, will do can enter. The event was well received and well attended last year, the first year.

This year, a local micro brewery has applied for a temporary liquor license to sell at least beer, if not something stronger, at the event. His application is coming for a vote at the upcoming County Commissioner?s meeting this Tuesday.

After all of the years I spent on the late model stock car and outlaw sprint car circuits, it?s been my observation that alcohol and race cars don?t mix. At least while I was involved, one absolutely and positively unbreakable rule was no alcohol consumption by anyone attached to a race car, drivers and pit crew alike, immediately before or during an event. The racing fraternity does an excellent job of policing its own ranks, but there are always a few exceptions who think they can?t possibly be having fun if they don?t have a beer in their hand. Those are the ones who will give you trouble.

As a Commissioner, my first question to the applicant will be how will he control sales? If someone wants to buy a beer, how will it be known whether he is a pure spectator or on the crew of a car? This is not a kids soccer game where any adult is a non-participant.

Let?s do a quick poll. How many of ya?ll think booze should be sold at an event like this?
 
I'll second that. Big party after,but no sales and no open consumption even if you brought it with you,until the race is over.
 
Black light visible ink hand stamp on anyone driving/racing. Or no booze until all the drivers are done. Cars and alcohol don't mix.
 
Events that happen on private property, vs events that are county or state owned, would be clear in any liability law suit.
No way would Andy let Otis get in players cop car n rip it in town with spectators ten feet away.
Let's throw in 100 plus mph at a .1 or higher bac test.
I think you know your experience in past racing. You also know what happens, you've seen it go wrong.
Don't be on front page next day. Just vote no for one year, and go about and observe for your self. The choice be clear in first two hours. You know it.
 
If these are just everyday folks, what's to stop them from having a cooler in their car or a beer at home before they arrive? Do they make them take a breathalyzer before they run? If not, I can't see where selling beer will make any difference.
 
You may need some wrist bands. No alcohol during racing as how do you control any driver drinking ?. Big party after and drink all you want . { on a sidenote wouldn't you for safetys sake want to run 1/8 mile. You guys are having a miniature Bonneville Salt Flats lol}
 
The ones that think they ought to have booze there will bring their own anyway. It would be better if perhaps each driver was required to take a quick sobriety test by a county officer just before his/her run. That might help control things, at least with the competitors.
Loren
 
Have you talked to Custer County? They run the Sandhills Open Road Challenge. Blaine and Thomas run the Loup to Loup race the same weekend. Be interesting to talk to them. I know the open road Challenge has cars running upwards to 200mph!!
 
How did the event organizers control alcohol that spectators and crews brought to the event last year? Were there any problems? Is the brewery interested in selling a lot of beer in large cups at cheap prices, or small sizes for tasting/introducing their products?

I would think the brewery should be responsible to work with the event organizers to work out the details, then present a workable plan to your county commission. If the event organizers don't want alcohol present or won't control it, then it would be a non-starter for me. The event organizers should be able to tell you how race drivers and crews will be screened for alcohol. Your county attorney should be able to tell you if the county can be held responsible for any alcohol related problems or injuries.
 
ACG that may be a good answer also the officer presence and subject to a test will go along way.
 
First: does your state have a law about open container in a car or in public??? Second: (leave the drivers out) what about drunk in public dealing with fights etc??? Third: what ACG said to test drivers on the spot. And last have them register ahead of time and get a drug test from a DR!!! The mere threat of this will do wonders!!
 
Here is one of the videos of the record run. I think it still stands. I used to drive this road when I was in high school, and thought if I could average 55 it was a great drive!!!
Record run
 
Odds are if the drivers want to drink they'll bring their own alcohol and that way never have to leave their car/trailer to drink. If you are still concerned have him set up at the finish line that way you can watch to see if a driver pulls up for a drink. Also a sign stating no sales to those driving, it might not be enforceable but it would help from a liability standpoint.

Local county fair allowed a beer garden a couple years ago, some were vehemently opposed to it. Funny thing is that people would sit in the back of their pickups and drink coolers of beer with no trouble but once the fairgrounds was going to sell beer it was a big deal. It's hard enough for them to make money and this has proved to be a help.
 
Booze at events is pretty much expected and for the most part is the regular routine these days. I don't agree with it, people went to sporting events for 100 years without it and now they go there and some leave pi$$ed and are a hazard on the roads. For sporting events, I suspect most of the people there drinking beer are not real beer drinkers at all. I know lots of guys who don't drink much at all but when they go to a game it's the first thing they do. Well, second thing they do ..... first is getting a dish of those gross nachos with Velveeta cheese melted on top. Just thinking of that makes me gag a bit ....
 
You'll get a much bigger crowd selling beer and selling it allows you to control it. spectators only just like beer sales at any race track around. Beer cannot be sold to anyone with a pit bracelet. In todays world, i'm unaware of a successful track that doesn't sell beer. I attend tracks all around the country. They actually have a big, well known track in North Dakota that sells beer but sunflower seeds are prohibited!
 
Absolutely NOT. Ant justification is utterly ridiculous. No way to police it. They have a big enough problem at "mud bogs" with safety thrown to the wind as they are considered a "party event". What is the expected insurance rate difference with or without liquor ? I would have to bet it is very high. Alcahol is not permitted at ANY race that I know of other than spectator only. In this case there is no distinction between spectator and participant. 1/4 mile is bad enough but 1/2 and mile ??? With un-teched cars and unquallified drivers in cars that will exceed 150 mph? Where does one even get insured for something like this?? Participant breath-a-lizers at least but no safety equipment in cars ? No way. Even at drag strip in 1/4 mi, if you go over 110 or less than 12 seconds you need roll cage and other tech safety equipment....or you do not run. I would assume there are EMT,s there ? Some street cars will easily excess 150 mph and I have yet to see a "county road" safe at any where near that speed. What do they call this event..."the Kiss of Death " ?? Un-freaking believable !
 
We run events often here at the museum property.
If a vender wants to sell beer or alcohol we use coloured wrist bands to prove age or what ever. I agree with other posts - if the drivers or pit crew want to drink they will bring it with them. You have no control over that.
 
I vote no. For one reason you don't booze to have a good time. Next, most of the folks are going to be driving home, or in the event, they don't need booze. Next, you don't need drunks,even they are not driving, wandering out onto the road. I am not against drinking, just mostly do it in moderation and at home.
 

This thread must be a belated April fools joke. What is the point of a poll when you already know everyones answer?
 
Who is sponsoring the event? If something terrible happens, God forbid!, the sponsor who allowed alcohol consumption on the grounds could be sued bigly!!
 
My vote is NO alcoholic beverages sold on or near the event. The appearance of impropriety means a difference in safety or perception of safety. There was a Fraternal organization that did not allow alcohol on their property but someone sumggled in some booze at a rental party A man left there 3 sheets to the wind, crashed into a van and kllled 4 people. The Headline was JOHN DOE, WHO LEFT THE ****** HALL INTOXICATED KILLS 3 Your headline could read JOHN DOES , LEAVING XXX DRAG RACE INTOXICATED, HITS AND KILLS DRIVER IN PICKUP . Beer mat bring more people but are they the ones you really want
 
No! Enough booze will be brought on secretly anyway, why add to it? The crowd at an event like that is generally young and rowdy, why add to the excitement. I like a beer but there are places where alcohol shouldn't be present.
 
When a bartender serve serves 3 or more drinks to a person and that person is over the limit and causes an accident we should prosecute the bartender for contributing and collect damages, that would slow things down.
 
(quoted from post at 08:40:51 04/02/17) I'll second that. Big party after,but no sales and no open consumption even if you brought it with you,until the race is over.

AMEN TO THAT! :)
 
Absolutely NO!
If alcohol sales are needed to make the show profitable, something is lacking in the operation of the event
It's rediculous to expect bartenders to be able to regulate the number of drinks his customers may have drank, that never works....
No booze, no trouble because of booze....simple as that......
 

I think you will really hurt the event if you don't allow beer sales. It is up to the drivers to police themselves. Since they will be running on a public road the DUI laws apply and they need to be informed of that.
 
No for anyone directly involved in the race. The organization we pulled with a few years back had strict rules. No pulling under the influence and if caught no pulling for so many pulls. I can't remember the number but it was enough to take you out of the running for the year. So why even chance it. Like others have said you can't stop the racers from bringing their own but can stop them from participating if someone thinks they are under the influence. How is this event being insured ? Maybe I missed it. Does each racer provide me their own or is there a blanket insurance for the event ? What if a spectator is injured in some way shape or form possibly not having anything to do with alcohol ? That would also be a concern. A big portion of the entry fees when we pulled used to go toward insurance for the event. As far as I am concerned you may as well allow it for spectators because you won't be able to stop them from "tailgating" anyway. As far as competitors absolutely no way, nothing. But someone has to keep a close watch on that also as they can bring their own. I realize I have not been much help but those are my ideas anyway.
 
How in the world is a bartender suppose to keep track how many beers everybody has had? --Lets see, this is your 1st. but the guy with the gray t-shirt is on his 2nd. or is he on his 3rd.? No that's the guy with the short hair that's had 3. I'm on the 4th. page of this note book where I started making check marks but I can't remember if I put a check mark for the last one of the guy with the black cap. Who's next in line here? Can I help you? No wait, did I mark the last one in my book?--You can't be serious on the bartender keeping track.
 
IMO. Zero for the drivers in competing cars. Spectators can use their own good judgment.
How you police that I don't know.
 
I agree no alcoholic beverage for participates before the race and if you can't tell who's a participate then no alcohol.
 
I would say NO!!!!! There is no need for beer or other alcohol at any event period. If you can not have fun sober then something is wrong with you!!!!

In my area you have beer at just about everything. They almost have it at funeral around here. At many wedding the bar bill is as high as the catered meal. This attitude towards needing beer to have fun has caused me to quit going to many things. I absolutely hate the smell of beer. IT STINKS TO ME!!!! Go to a ball game and it smells like a beer garden. Then you have to deal with the idiots that are under the influence of alcohol not drunk but altered to "feel/act" differently than they would sober.

I would vote NO an then see if any of the FFA or other groups of this type would like to serve food and non alcoholic beverages at the event. Give a boost to a POSITIVE member of the community.
 
First NO road should be blocked off for something like that. And if that is followed as should be then no possible boze sales and not in favor of boze at any time or place. SO a BIG NO.
 
Bring beer into the mix and it is no longer a family affair. Within 3 years 90% of the crowd will be 20's age rowdy kids. Depends on what you want but I vote no,no and no.
 
Do they sell beer at NASCAR Races? Are you talking about drivers or spectators?
Any stupid driver could hide a 6 pack in his gear, if that was his really really "STUPID" plan.
Are you sure you a framing the question properly?
 
(quoted from post at 11:26:00 04/02/17) We have an interesting situation coming up in our county.

This coming June, an event similar to a drag race will be held for the second year in a row. Several miles of a county highway will be blocked off and cars will be timed individually over a half mile and a full mile. Cars are run one at a time and compete against the clock instead of competing against another car. These are not special race cars, anyone who wants to see what their car, including a daily driver, will do can enter. The event was well received and well attended last year, the first year.

This year, a local micro brewery has applied for a temporary liquor license to sell at least beer, if not something stronger, at the event. His application is coming for a vote at the upcoming County Commissioner?s meeting this Tuesday.

After all of the years I spent on the late model stock car and outlaw sprint car circuits, it?s been my observation that alcohol and race cars don?t mix. At least while I was involved, one absolutely and positively unbreakable rule was no alcohol consumption by anyone attached to a race car, drivers and pit crew alike, immediately before or during an event. The racing fraternity does an excellent job of policing its own ranks, but there are always a few exceptions who think they can?t possibly be having fun if they don?t have a beer in their hand. Those are the ones who will give you trouble.

As a Commissioner, my first question to the applicant will be how will he control sales? If someone wants to buy a beer, how will it be known whether he is a pure spectator or on the crew of a car? This is not a kids soccer game where any adult is a non-participant.

Let?s do a quick poll. How many of ya?ll think booze should be sold at an event like this?

Absolutely not. The liability you already have using a public road for this is incredible. Why would you add booze to the mix? If nothing else, it sends completely the wrong message.
 
Sell it , police it . No beer it pits! Wrist bands , insurance . Fridays night racing here sells beer. No issues. Beer will be there one way or another, why not be in charge of it?
 
No, it is the responsibility of the ADULT doing whatever, including drinking, to do it in a responsible way, not someone else telling him. That's why you have to be of a certain age do do certain things, at that age you are supposed to be mature enough to act responsibly. If you don't it is not the fault of someone else, it is YOUR fault.
 
(quoted from post at 07:05:38 04/03/17) No, it is the responsibility of the ADULT doing whatever, including drinking, to do it in a responsible way, not someone else telling him. That's why you have to be of a certain age do do certain things, at that age you are supposed to be mature enough to act responsibly. If you don't it is not the fault of someone else, it is YOUR fault.

Make everyone walk thru a gate,pay admission,make everyone, sign a no fault agreement as you would with competitors under 18.
 
Thanks for all of the responses! 'Way more than I expected.

Actually, since I posted this our County Sheriff told me the statute against drinking on public property might kill it right off the bat. It should be an interesting item on the agenda tomorrow.
 
Alcoholic beverages do NOT belong at ANY public event.
Alcohol dulls the senses, slows reflexes, and makes some people get a bit rowdy.

My vote is NO!!!
 
At one time when I was young I use to off road race. You have to have a clear head at the wheel and stay sharp looking for those who are drunk and stupid. They some times get in the way on the track causing use harm and them some times death. They do not understand racing is dangerous even to use the driver in that car. We do not need other people adding to our fear. Our fuel and sport bottles that are used in the cars ounce in use means we have little control on braking in an emergency. Stopping on a dime is hard to do at high speeds.
 

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