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NY 986

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I wish that if somebody has something other than tractors to talk about that they would bring it to the "main board" i.e. Tractor Talk. This way a majority of the members get a chance to contribute and/or learn something. I for quite a few days never look at the Ford N series board and if somebody posts a new tractor related topic minutes after the OT topic I may never see it. Again, I bring this up because for quite a few topics it is a chance to learn something that I may very well miss if it is on a brand board I have little interest in. Let's be honest in that for quite a few of us we do not look at all the boards here all the time. Also, there are some brands we just do not care for so we do not look at all but there is no harm in that as long as we are respectful towards those who may feel different.
 
I totally disagree. If there is something on this board I don't like, I don't read it. But a lot of the "OT" stuff is very interesting. I like one stop shopping.
 
There is a discussion area called "tractor talk OT." I am of the impression that it was put there for the OT items. People just need to get used to going there to look at those items. You know the drill, if you get soft in one section, then it just grows like mold to others then you have a mess. Just sayin'
 
I think you misunderstood something someplace as in essence let's make OT topics "one stop shopping" on Tractor Talk is what I said. All US brands of tractor have a home here although it could stand some tweaking. Also, garden tractors and tools have their own boards for people who have little interest in farm tractors
 
This topic comes up quite often.
My advise grin and bear it, cause you ain't going to change it.
I always learn some darn interesting things and I'm not going to risk offending anyone, because one or more of them probably has valuable knowledge that I will need.
It's just part of the corporate culture 'round here.

Larry
 
I agree with your disagreement..........There is an OT forum(tales) that I would like to see used more.I look at talk,tools,tales,8N and GTs daily.I don't go to Burger King and look for a Big Mac.................gtm
 
I will have to admit that I do not "page in" enough to catch that most days but it still does not change the fact people will post OT items down in the individual tractor brand boards. Also, people are misunderstanding why I bring this up. I am not condemning anybody for making OT posts but rather they would put it on one board where everybody gets a chance to comment and/or learn. Most guys whether they love one brand and hate the others will at least participate on Tractor Talk and they may have something very insightful to say even if you disagree with them on tractor brands.
 
After reading your post several times and then reading some of the replies below, I think that maybe your message is somewhat difficult to understand and as a result is being interpreted in different ways. I find it a bit confusing to be honest.
 
True enough but I think it gets overlooked as a OT center compared to Tractor Talk for quite a few. I think for many and I am guilty of it as well as we all tend to go as far as the first page and no further. Not just here but on sports chat boards and movies/ television/ general entertainment boards. I doubt we are going to change people in terms of getting them to go past the first page so I am saying that if this is the case then concentrate OT so the majority of people can benefit.
 
I understand. When setting on a stool at the counter drinking a cup of coffee it is really disgusting that five stools down there is a subject being discussed that you cant be a part of. If you get up and move you will miss out on the one you are a part of where your at. Life get tegus doesn't it!
 
I have always thought they need to combine some of the topics, chapters or groups. (whatever they are called) Maybe keep the tractor specific ones Ford,oliver etc. and wind some other the others down. Think you get various folks hanging out only on certain ones.
 
Must be a brand thing. You seldom see an OT on the Oliver forum. There are things posted there that some who don't go there might be interested in though. JWondergem posts a lot of pictures from the Floyd County Museum that are historical. Not suggesting he post them here,but I'd suggest anybody who might be remotely interested go there and check them out.

Of course then there's the decision whether to post an OT on Talk or Tales. I usually post them here,but if they're a little off the wall or might be taken as slightly political or something,I'll put them on Tales where fewer eyes might be offended.
 
You see quite a few on the Ford N series board. Sometimes on the JD or IH boards. I'm not "yelling" at anybody but just trying to say since most of the OT winds up here let's put as much as the rest as we can here for the benefit of the majority. TXJim is right there is an official OT spot but I think most of us tend to stop on the first page when we click on. I remember on Buffalo Bills message board when it was going people would do the same thing in terms of just seeing what was on page 1 then make a topic even if the same topic was on page 3 which might only be 12 hours old. I am just saying that in light that most of us only go to the lead page then concentrate the OT as much as possible.
 
OT: Bubba and Earl was sitting outside the general store one day and the ole dog started licking his privates; Bubba observes and says "I wish I could do that: Earl looks at Bubba and says "why Bubba that dog would bite you".
 
I believe that I understand the content of your post. You are not condemning OT posts but would like to see more posts where the subject is about various issues with many different brands of tractors. Sorry, but I believe it is best left the way it is and if you want help about a specific brand of tractor you should go to that site. How much easier could it be, just scroll down until you see forum listing your brand and click on it.

The forum called "Tractor Tales" is where most of those off topics should be posted. I am not sure if some posters are to lazy or what to scroll down and post there but it is a great site and many of us check there often.
 
It is not broke, SO don't try to fix it!! The TALERS forum was brought up from the cellar to give an easier path to OT discussions and I do think people should us it more than they do. There is a lot of stuff on Tractor Talk including this thread, that would be better suited to Talers forum, but doesn't get posted there, but all and all everyone is getting along just fine on the YT site.
I post some off topic stuff on the Case forum because I have many friends there and it wouldn't be anything of consequence to everyone on the site anyway. And a lot of my Case friends don't frequent any other forums on YT.
If the dog is sleeping, don't kick him in the belly.
I hope this site never takes on a FB format with everything under the sun posted.
Loren
 
It's like DaveH has said before,and I mean no offense to the Tales forum,I don't think he did either when he said it,but things still seem a "little clannish" down there. I go there every day,it's cleaned up a lot and the infighting has stopped,but it seems like the number of people who go there is pretty limited. I don't really feel like an outsider there,I've been on these forums for a lot of years,but I took a year or more off down there because of all the feuding that was going on between just a few members who were spoiling it for everybody. They've been banned and it's fun again,but it just seems like after that long hiatus,I'm walking on egg shells since I started posting there again. I hope it's just my imagination that's making me feel that way.

I use Talk as my home page,generally go to Tales,Restoration,Implement Alley,Oliver and Using Your Tractor,then Memorabilia about every other week when I remember to,but very,very seldom go to any of the others.
 
What no one has mentioned is that, even though the rules for each forum are clearly stated, it is also true that the powers that be, for whatever reason, choose not to enforce them. Other forums I am on have moderators who keep track of these things and if a thread is in the wrong forum they will move it.
But if this is the way they choose to run their show, then I guess it is what it is, even though it doesn't make a lot of sense sometimes.
 
There is very little that would be unimportant to me. I am just as interested as to who was a Case, JD, IH, whatever dealer in some podunk town from 50 years ago as the guys who bleed whatever color. This might lead to somebody thinking to bring up someone who may have been a dealer near where I live back in the day. I am not kicking "the dog in the belly" but extending the invitation to come to the bigger forum here. Like you and others said "we ain't going to fix it" and in some ways "it ain't broke" as far as posting on Tractor Talk versus Tractor Tales. Most of us run the web enough that most of the places we frequent everybody is focused on the lead or first page even if the content belongs a page further in.
 
I got an email from a former member who was banned for life. He said the moderator told him she had better things to do with her time than clean up after him. The owners of this site are selling tractor parts and I don't think they sit here all day reading what's posted on here. If they don't want to have to clean up after one member,I sure don't think they want to waste their time straightening out all the rest of us every day.
 
"There is very little that would be unimportant to me. I am just as interested as to who was a Case, JD, IH, whatever dealer in some podunk town from 50 years ago as the guys who bleed whatever color. This might lead to somebody thinking to bring up someone who may have been a dealer near where I live back in the day."

I agree with you on that,but maybe a double post would be the best solution to that. There are guys who I suspect only go to the forums of their favorite brand,so things that pretty much still relate to that brand,even though they might be of interest to everybody,get posted there. Especially if it's something that they're looking for an answer to,figuring like minded people will be there.
 
I agree, most people have comfort levels on just a few of the forums so that's where they go no matter the question, that would include me. There is something to be said for just looking past what a person doesn't care to read but I see the side that says too much OT goobers up the forums.

As for the moderation I think they due a fine job. Most busy forums like this have moderators from the crowd who help out but not here, at least I dont think so?? I dont know how the owners Kim and ?? keep up with it all of it.
 
Evolution of the YT site discussion forums made things as they are now and it's unlikely to change. I think that years ago when this site first started up, had there been an OFF TOPIC forum listed first (which probably wouldn'td have made sense), it would likely have attracted most of the OT posts that we see on this forum now. That didn't happen but it's still a great place to visit even with OT posts. There are always some great posts on the Tractor Tales forum and I seldom visit there for some reason. Sometimes though there are probably genuine tractor-related posts right here on Tractor Talk that might get ignored because of poor titling that doesn't grab attention.
 
Most people are habitual by nature. Tractor Talk is listed on the top and most people will go there first simply because it is listed at the top. Because of that there will be a lot of posts there that are off topic. Agree with leaving things as they are rather than kicking a sleeping dog.
 
Maybe I have too much time on my hands in winter, but I check talk, tools, tales, restore, case, combines, and IH every visit. Find all very interesting and no complaints. Seldom post 'cause you guys (and gals) are way more interesting than I am. Best group on the planet.

Dick ND
 
im bad about ot too, but i do it here as most people seem to open this forum first and usually im in a bind with needing info, [ i did something about to bite me if it goes wrong] this board is so large that it has somebody from just about every profession in the world on it, and i need some help
 
There was a politics and OT forum on here. There were people who came here only to go to that forum. Anybody remember folks like Chuck435? It was the wild west on that forum and got so bad that the moderators shut it down. It was attracting a crowd that they didn't want their tractor parts site associated with.
 
I agree with what I think you are saying. If I have an IH question, I put it on the IH board. Most other posts, OT or not, I put here. They can call Tales an "OT" forum, and when they brought it up from the basement the name was changed to reflect that, but Tales really did not used to fall into that category. Back in the day, Tales tended to have a small group of regulars with a larger group of people who dropped in and read but rarely posted (lurkers). People who dropped down from Talk were not always well received. And that is as far as I am going to go on that, because it seems to irritate some folk. I like the informational OT posts on this forum. I like general topic OT posts on here. I look at Talk kind of like a coffee shop. A group gets together, some talk about tractors, some about health, taxes, retirement, weather, gardening. People gravitate to the thread that interests them. Everyone has something to say. Nice place the way it is...IMHO. :)
 
I can only get on here for a limited amount of time because I work alot seventh five miles from home just don't have the time. I like tractor talk and the tales board the way they are there are just so many different topics going on about some many different things thats what I enjoy about it. I don't post a whole lot just enjoy reading about every one else. RICK
 
My 2 cents: I like the status quo. It WOULD be an improvement if posters would make it clearer in their subject line what the post is about so people don't click on "stuff" that wouldn't otherwise interest them. gm
 
(quoted from post at 08:55:28 03/31/17) Must be a brand thing. You seldom see an OT on the Oliver forum. There are things posted there that some who don't go there might be interested in though.
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Maybe the reason there are so few OT topics on the Oliver board is there aren't as many YT members interested in Oliver tractors as other brands. :wink:
 
Hey NY 986, are you using classic view or modern view?

Because, in modern view even the IH board rarely goes past one page of new content in 24 hours, and you can easily see when someone has added a response to a thread, because that thread is moved to the top like on would expect on a proper forum.

Classic view arranges posts in the order of when the original post was made, so if three days down the line someone responds, the thread is buried 3-4 pages deep, and nobody sees it unless they specifically set up notifications or make a concerted effort to check.

I agree that everyone should put OT posts in one place, OR abstain from making OT posts entirely if that is the will of the forum ownership. However, it is a forum and like a tiger you are not going to change its stripes.
 
NY 986:

Instead of trying to "change the system", the change HAS to come from the individuals that visit these Forums. Tractor Tales when it was brought up from "the Basement" was specifically designated as being the "Off Topic" forum, that's one of the reasons that it was brought up from the Basement, so that the "OT" site would be easier to find. And as far as just reading the first page of a Forum, - everyone needs to think of it as "reading a good book" - you don't know how the story is going to unfold or what the final outcome is going to be, just by reading the first page. - If I've been busy and haven't gotten on the computer for a few days, when I do get on I'll usually visit my favorite forums but I'll go back anywhere from 4 to 12 pages just to see whats been posted and to possibly add comments of my own to those older posts. Then I'll quickly browse forums that I don't usually hang out on, just to see if there is anything that peaks my interest. - As I said at the start, the change has to come from the individuals. If the site "ain't broke - don't try to FIX it".
 
If you farm with Oliver and White tractors,you get the job done so quick,and spend so little time doing repairs,that you have time to check out more forums. ;)
 
Modern view. The thing is depending on the time of year sometimes content will be added at a pace greater than one page per day. Further, it is not always possible for somebody like me to be here everyday. It's like when something goes to page 2 it disappears where on Tractor Talk guys will check on page 2 for the most part. It is disappointment when I feel something has lapsed to the point where it really is not worth adding a reply or to ask a question when nobody will be looking.


I would not ask anybody to abstain from making OT posts or that they can only be on one board here. Further, while somebody made a comment that maybe less brand related questions should go into the board of that particular brand it really should be up to that poster whether they want to limit the exposure to like minded browsers or if they want the general community to see.


I would also like to mention I know it is difficult for some people to want to be a part of a larger group. I know of guys in my area who were in the equipment business and circumstances forced them out. I am not trying to pry into somebody's personal business by any means. I certainly have colorful tales I would like to tell about some of these old time dealers that would certainly cast them in a positive light but I figure I should not push into somebody's past without clearing it with them first even if the intentions are good. I know a couple of guys who are fairly bitter nearly 30 years after the fact so sometimes time heals slow.
 
Well, let's see if I can explain that Jim.
Oliver owners are a real classy group. Sort
of like the shadowy character in the far
dark corner of a smoke hazed bar, usually
observing, but ready to help if the need
arises lol. Nah, we just like to look on
here and see what sort of problems all the
owners of other color tractors are having,
whilst we know the Ollies are always ready
to run, ready to make the farm fields beg
for submission =)

Ross (quietly observing)-sometimes
 

well Jim, all you have to do is look at the people who pay way too much for an old N Ford and don't have a clue how to operate it safely to start with, and after they have figured out how to start it, and make it go forward and backward, they post a "HOW TO" video of plowing their garden or skidding a log. They have no conception on how to maintain and operate their pride an joy. Their OT posts reflect that., so where do they post??? on the N board, cause that was their impression of what a farm tractor was, and is!!
People who have grown up with tractors migrate to the boards where their favorite brand of tractor is discussed and there discuss everything from repairs, to tractor shows, to a meeting with some fellow YTrs.
Loren
 
I don't use the Classic view, because I am familiar with the Modern view elsewhere. The icons to the left of topics in the list can be so helpful- gold bell in the circle means there are new posts since you last looked, if the bell is white, no new posts added. The little page icon and arrow take you right to the last post. On some boards, that page icon takes you to the last place you read, not just the latest post, but here it seems to shoot you right to the last page.

HTH
 
I'd prefer to see the OT topics on Talers. Otherwise they're scattered all over the place and tend to push on-topic conversations off the page.
 
You have too much time on your hands. Go out in your shop and take some pics of your winters projects, and post them here. Maybe then we will see your, "ON TOPIC" positive side.
Loren
 
(quoted from post at 07:05:31 03/31/17) You see quite a few on the Ford N series board. Sometimes on the JD or IH boards. I'm not "yelling" at anybody but just trying to say since most of the OT winds up here let's put as much as the rest as we can here for the benefit of the majority. TXJim is right there is an official OT spot but I think most of us tend to stop on the first page when we click on. I remember on Buffalo Bills message board when it was going people would do the same thing in terms of just seeing what was on page 1 then make a topic even if the same topic was on page 3 which might only be 12 hours old. I am just saying that in light that most of us only go to the lead page then concentrate the OT as much as possible.
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Benefit of the majority? Most who complain about DON'T make up the majority here or else it wouldn't be like it is. Plus if all there was on here was talk about tractors at time this page would get maybe one new post a day. Be pretty boring. I just simply skip what I don't want to read.

Rick
 
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