i got something totally unknown here , its a muzzle loading side by side shotgun, the only marks on it are the words, "lamenated steel barrel" on the steel piece between the barrells and a couple of makers marks by the nipples on the barrel, these marks , if i was to call them anything common would be something like a swirling leaf, any idea where i can go to find info on this? like age value ect i need to make a new stock for it the one it has is shattered, it was found during a old barn tear down
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Richard G.
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Would love to see a photo.
Richard
Richard
dr sportster
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Makers marks makes me think of something British. Can you post a of these marks . There should be books of marks on file to ID them .
ericlb: link below is one place to start, but in general, it's going to be difficult to determine much about an old muzzleloading shotgun as they were so common and relatively easy to make that there were hundreds if not thousands of small manufacturers producing them. Often the locks were purchased (and may have some identifying marks of their own) and the rest was made locally. As such, the value, especially with a shattered stock and laminated barrels, is probably minimal--scrap price or close--and, as mentioned, it's best used as a wallhanger, as any attempt to actually fire it could easily result in damage to the gun or the shooter. If you do find a brand on it somewhere, this link gives a number of "store brand" names that were often found on many of the cheap shotguns of the late 18th and early 19th century that were mass-produced and sold at many general stores.
http://subgauge.com/articles/grampas_shotgun.html
proofhouse
http://subgauge.com/articles/grampas_shotgun.html
proofhouse
teddy52food
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Black powder only for sure!
If you want to be safe find a good gunsmith and have him check it out. He should be able to tell you if it's an original or reproduction and if safe to shoot. If its a reproduction you should be able to use black powder or Pyrode with no problems. The markings your talking about if you knew how to read them would tell you what country it was made in over seas.
ill get some photos, im thinking this thing is pretty old just because of where it was, so far back in the junk that nobody had been there since horses farmed the place era 1940, we dont intend to ever try to fire it ,when it has a new stock made ,theres just enough of the old one to use as a pattern i think, its just to be a wall hanger, the problem with that is once on the wall and seen, the first question from people is going to be what it is
Sir, If I might suggest, see if the forearm will remove
from the barrels. More numbers and or letters may be stamped
on the forearm or the underside of the barrels.
Your safety is the primary objective when handling this
shotgun. Would love to see your pictures if available. Good luck, j
from the barrels. More numbers and or letters may be stamped
on the forearm or the underside of the barrels.
Your safety is the primary objective when handling this
shotgun. Would love to see your pictures if available. Good luck, j
FLOLDFORD
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Like gajack said look under the barrels and on top of the front of the receiver ( called the water table ) after you get the barrels off. If you can get your hands on a copy of the Blue book of Gun Values it has a section in the back on proof marks and you may be able to match something
Donald Lehman
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"Laminated steel" is another term for Damascus steel barrels. Unless you have a gunsmith who truly knows his stuff with antique firearms thoroughly checks out that gun, hang it on the wall. As mentioned below, stick to black powder! If there are no markings on the gun, it could possibly be Revolutionary War era. During the Revolutionary War many gunsmith's produced firearms with no markings so the British couldn't track them down. No markings could also mean it's newer and is a no name piece of crap. Also as mentioned below, make darned sure that thing isn't loaded before fooling around with it. It is very common to find centuries old muzzleloaders with a charge still in them. Safety first.
Donald Lehman
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Sorry missed the mention of nipples. Is probably mid-1800's or newer.
one of the makers marks showed up, it at least narrowed it to the 19th century, the mark was in the liege proof house of Belgium used from 1810 to 1892, so im guessing it probably doesnt have any real value and making a new stock for it and using it as a wall hanger is the best use for it, those barrels look so thin it be afraid to use a firecracker in them
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