How much are allis charmers 7020 worth are thy a good tracto

I I'm seeing these allis charmers going for sale every ware mostley 7020s and there dirt cheap I'm in Idaho are goo tractors kind of want one a power shift model or should I keep my Massey 1130 with cab and loader the 1130 in shape

I lease one back when they first came out, never had a problem with it, except the AC went out on the hottest day, but the JD 4640's AC also went down 3 days later. My 7020 was a power shift, we pulled an 18' disc and planted with it.

A neighbor had a 7000. I used it a few times on the round baler. Not a bad tractor to use,but it didn't have air right from the factory. I don't know why they put so much hood on them. There wasn't much under there. He ran the darned thing low on oil in the rear end and tore up a casting in there that held a bearing. It went for next to nothing at his auction. The guy who bought it,bought it for a project. I don't think it ever got fixed. The sale was in 1987 and last time I was by his place,that thing was still sitting out behind the barn.

New from the factory they were good but transmission parts are getting hard to find anymore.

my neighbor has a 7040 and a 7060, all pretty much the same except for hp. his are both power director, not power shift. has two buttons on the floor (kind of like a torque amplifier) his are road hard and put away wet, they are his primary tillage tractors. good cheap horsepower. i have run them and are comfortable, the cab is a little small, but way better than an open station !!he farms about 900 acres by himself, has two 4020's also.

We had a 7030 for awhile and didn't have any major issues. Our neighbor uses a 7045 for row cropping and as far as I know hasn't had any major issues. I understand they can have a problem of jumping out of gear although we never had that problem. I think they are a good buy for the money if you can find one that has been maintained. Usually you can tell by looking at one how well it has been maintained.

We had a 7020 power director (not power shift) bought new in 1978. It was a very dependable, trouble free tractor. The power shift trannys were pretty good in the 7000 and 8000 series, but they're getting pretty old now, and parts and repairs could be expensive.

Get the Allis and send the Massey to me! LOL

Oddly enough the 7000 only shares the engine with the 7000 series. Completely different tractor.

The 7000 series to my knowledge did not have any problem jumping out of gear, now the older D and 100 series if you ground the gears they would wear and tend to jump out. I have 5 older Allis's and only one has a gear that it would tend to jump out of, bought it that way and it's 3 gear on a tractor we plow garden with so don't use that gear much.

If its a FWA, be very afraid of it.

jim, the only problem my neighbor had with the 7060 shifting was from the hi-low-park range shifter. chaff and corn stalks would pack on top of the trans and you needed to keep that clean. a good lube and adjustment kept it happy. iirc there is a trans brake that needs to be adjusted so you can shift without grinding. as long as you didnt fully depress the clutch when the tractor was moving, the trans brake would last a long time. you only depressed fully at a dead stop to shift.

Thank you for all thoses comment 900 acers is a lot of ground

yup, he joined the ranks of the FFA..............fathers farm alone!!!!

I'll be darned. What was the rear end? More like a 200 or something?

(quoted from post at 12:42:35 02/14/17) If its a FWA, be very afraid of it.

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Since there was no such thing I think I would grab it in a hurry....

Yes. As I recall, on the 7000 they did away with the neutral in the power director, and made it a three speed power shift. Trans I think was basically the same. Had the bull gear finals in the rear housing like the D19, 190 and 200- not planetaries like the bigger ones. I remember a brand new one where you had to push with everything you had to get the clutch pedal down!

Actually you'll see one with Mudd Hogg assist kit once in the while.

Yes someone unaware of this quirk will burn up the transmission brake in no time, sized to stop a couple hundred pounds of gears not 15,000 lbs of tractor.

I was told a 7020 was the cheapest cab tractor you could buy for haying. Big enough engine to run a discbine and small enough to get good fuel economy. I always thought the power shift would work well for haying also. How cheap are you seeing them offered for? AL

Very dependable tractor. Will have a better cab than the Massey. Quieter and more comfortable. WAY more room than a Deere SoundGard. I love how quiet the SoundGard's are, but you can't find a spot to set a water bottle without it getting under the seat. Way easier to get into than a maroon belly. Better steps and a smaller steering wheel. The Perkins is a bit bigger and will likely be a better cold starter. Unless I was only doing field work, I'd want a Power Shift. If you're doing any roading at all, forget the Power Director. Allis never did figure what syncro's were, and for that reason, the Power Directors suck. Final drives on those tractors are very heavy built, transmissions are too for that matter. PowerShift clutches are huge. The engines are the weak point, and there's nothing weak about a 301, but they don't have enough torque to damage anything. I will say though, regarding the PowerShift, unless you keep it in a heated shop, they are not a great blower tractor. Reverse gear is power hungry when the oil is cold. It really helps to add a door shock to the door. There's a guy that makes a kit for them. I used a shock from a 94 Safari van with dutch doors.

I rented a 7020 one year for pulling an anhydrous toolbar. Had good power if you kept it reved up good, but fell dead if you pulled back on the throttle. It had some kind of power shift with regular gears too to give it I think 24 speeds, and that worked great with a lot of good working speeds.

I find it interesting that so many of you have a favorable opinion of the AC 7020 tractor. The 7000 series in general just helped finish off AC in my area. Poor engines and transmission troubles where the common complaint. Absolutely a terrible cab door design. The after market steps and door stop extensions make them much easier to get into. Did not really have too much feed back on the AC 7020 around here. It was more just straight AC 7000 and AC 7040 here. Not much market for them right now either. I see them sell in the $3000-4000 class regularly.

And there is good reason why they are 3000 to 4000 dollars.....as stated before keep the Massey! (....or buy a Deere!) Ben

Good dependable tractor. One on a dealers lot 2 years ago sold for 10000.00. Had 3500 hrs on it. I prefer the cab over JD's copy cat cab. I wish I had bought it.

A darn good tractor ,easy on fuel ,fair riding,pulls good. its pretty bad when someone is always trashing all other brands of tractors except his own green stuff.

(quoted from post at 20:23:25 02/14/17) A darn good tractor ,easy on fuel ,fair riding,pulls good. its pretty bad when someone is always trashing all other brands of tractors except his own green stuff.

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They can bash Allis all they want on here....just means more for me! I make $$$ with my AC's using them....make $$$$ with the Deeres selling em!

The maroon belly(early) and black belly(later) had slightly different cabs. The black bellies(7010,7020,7045, and the later 7060 and 7080) had much better steps with a smaller steering wheel, which made it a lot easier to get in. You can add a door shock to it as well, and it'll open the door much wider and make it that much easier to get in. I think it's funny that people think so highly of the SoundGard. It's a nice cab once you're in it,, but they're as much a pain to get in as a 7020, and from the factory, there is NO WHERE to store even a water bottle.It ALWAYS ends up under the seat, or it rolling around on the floor. There's enough room for a water jug, but not enough for a full size lunch pail in front of the R.H service door. They really are a nice cab once you're in them though. I'll give them that. You're going to bring up the updated cab steps available from Deere. I am not paying 450 for that kit. Someday I'll make my own. Until then I have to use the stupid factory steps.
Just to clarify, the 7040 was a maroon belly(crappy steps) and the 7000 was a 200 with a different cab. Basically it was a 200 with a hard to get into cab, no neutral in the Power Director (which meant you always had to use the dry foot clutch) and the throttle was in the wrong spot(which is a problem with the 7000 series) T
The 301 (which the 7020 has) is a great engine. A little cold blooded, and low on torque, which is why they say to keep them revved up. They suffered from cavitation problems, but once fitted with a coolant filter, had no problems. That is a problem that Deere struggled with too.
The 426 was OK at under 160HP, but it did require more upkeep than most engines. Most guys do 100hr oil changes, and roll new bearings in at 4-5000 hrs. I personally wouldn't want one, unless it was in an 8030, and had a coolant filter on it. They too suffered from cavitation problems.
As for the transmissions, I don't know where you heard that from. The PS transmissions were every bit as good as anything Deere made. Very very well built transmission. I know on the 7040 PD tractors, you could break shift forks it you tried to shift on the go. They are by no means a fundamentally weak transmissions. The rear ends are about the heaviest made from that time era.
Don't forget who first used ground fill fuel tanks, and pioneered true PFC hydraulics in agricultural. Swing out battery tray, Very easy to access engine compartment. Cabs are technically quieter than the SoundGard. I'd work on a 7000 or 8000 series Allis long before I'd ever volunteer to work on a 30,40,50,55 or 60 series Deere. T

To prove I'm unbiased, I think you're incorrect in saying that. The Deere cab was introduced mid 72 as a 1973 model year.. I'm pretty sure that the 7030 and 7050 were introduced in 1973 as a 1974 MY.

I this part of the county they were call sun downer tractors they ran so hot under heavy load you had to run after dark to keep them cool

Eldon,The model tractors you so love are what put them on the downward slope(D-17s,170s,175s,180s,185s)if they hadn't brought the 190 series out in 1965,that would have been the end then.If they would have brought the 7000 series out 10 yrs.earlier and then the 8000 series,they would have been further ahead and maybe lasted longer.We had a A-C dealership in the family for 50yrs and NOTHING hurt them worse then that xxxx D design and pricing jump with no true LPTO like every one else.

Who is still in business and who is not?

That is not a fair question. Allis failed because the ag division was carrying the company for years, until the 80's when it no longer could. The company folded and that was that. In many ways, it is still around today. AGCO, despite what it stands for today, started out as Allis Gleaner Company.
On the Deere thing, I actually not anti-Deere. Despite what I just said about Deere, I do like them. The cabs, despite being quite small, are nice, once you're in them. With the exception of the early 30 series, the trans and rear end are very well built. Engines didn't tend to give many problems. I really like the new breed of power. New design from the ground up. Very solid all around. Cabs are awesome, powertrains are awesome. Just awesome all around. The 8010 series are honestly my idea of a perfect tractor. Rock solid design. Enough electronics and creature comforts to make it very comfortable, but without going overboard, and still a pre-emissions engine.

I just don't live and breath green like some prople do. I have been surrounded by those types of people, and it gets to be sickening. I can admit that Deere makes great equipment, but I can also think for myself, and realize that there's more out there than Deere. I can admit that Case IH makes great equipment, and that Allis Chalmers made great equipment. They have all had their blunders, some more than others, but to think that Deere hasn't made their mistakes is a load of ****. You go talk to a Deere guy and bring up a 510 or 710, and they'll tell you that it isn't really a Deere. There's always an excuse.