Donald Lehman....musseloader picture for you

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larry@stinescorner

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• Jan 9, 2017

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this is some more pictures of the days at the cabin

the test shot,,and the gun,I dont know much about the gun,but heres a picture for you..

 

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D beatty

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• Jan 9, 2017

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Looks like maybe a Thompson center. I have a Thompson Center in a .45 cal that looks a lot like that.

 

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larry@stinescorner

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• Jan 9, 2017

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I do know he said he has to use a round ball because of the twist?

 

Butch(OH)

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• Jan 9, 2017

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Yup, slow twist equals a round ball rifle, fast twist is for conical bullets.

 

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Greg K

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• Jan 9, 2017

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Where did you get that if I can ask?
I'm remembering the line "I, Hatchet Jack,
being of sound mind and broke legs do
leaveth my rifle to the next thing that
finds it....

 

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D beatty

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• Jan 9, 2017

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My .45 cal. takes a round ball with patch.

 

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dhermesc

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• Jan 9, 2017

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My son has a 50 cal Hawkins "Traditions" very similar to that - except the butt plate and patch box are "bright" brass. Although I'm sure it could look like that after a few years. The trigger set up is pretty cool until you take it apart, it looks almost like a toy.

 

flembo

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• Jan 9, 2017

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That's a Thompson Center renegade a nice straight shootin gun, very similar to the Hawkins without the fancy brass.

 

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teddy52food

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• Jan 9, 2017

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Slow twist for a round ball is like throwing a baseball. Fast twist will make it curve. I shoot home made Lee R.E.A.L. bullets in all my Mz with equal accuracy.

 

Janicholson

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• Jan 9, 2017

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Nice TC. The set triggers are (on mine) really crisp and clean. Jim

 

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D beatty

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• Jan 9, 2017

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The brass is not hard to clean up and once clean there is a sealer that you can put on it. Like I said I have a Thompson Seneca ( from early 70s) which is .45 cal.. I have mine put away and haven't used it in many years. Back in its day the Seneca was the smallest cal. you could use for deer hunting.Thompson also made a .36 ca. ( Cherokee )a squirrel rifle.

 

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dhermesc

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• Jan 9, 2017

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Nice looking gun. Real walnut stock?

 

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RLA

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• Jan 9, 2017

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I hunt with a T/Center Hawkin, kit I built 10+ years ago.. Has been real good to me, kilt 2 deer with it this year..

 

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dr sportster

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• Jan 9, 2017

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Tiger maple ?

 

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D beatty

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• Jan 9, 2017

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I think if you look close at picture that gun has brass hardware that is very tarnished.

 

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Gundoctor

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• Jan 9, 2017

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Now days Thompson/Center no longer makes but center fire(inline) muzzleloaders. Now that Smith & Wesson owns T/C they have gone down hill big time. I once sold many T/C in my day.
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Gundoctor

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• Jan 9, 2017

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If you look at your rifle serial number it should start with a" K "
which stands for Kit Rifle Muzzleloader. This is the way they mark them.

Dave
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dhermesc

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• Jan 9, 2017

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The "Traditions" kit my son has used Maple for the stock, it looks pretty good with a walnut stain.

 

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Donald Lehman

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• Jan 9, 2017

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Yeah that's a flintlock, Larry. My neighbor has one just like it. His SIL lives in PA. and he goes down to hunt with him every year.

 

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Donald Lehman

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• Jan 9, 2017

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Yeah, my muzzleloader has a slow 1-66 rifling in the barrel, which is about right for a round ball. Most of the conical and newer style bullets are more accurate with a faster 1-28 twist. The 1-28's don't work very well with round balls and vice-versa.

 

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Elmo

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• Jan 9, 2017

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You are right, looks like a TC Hawken flintlock. I have several TC muzzle loaders and a Lyman Great Plains rifle. I am converting one of the renegades to a .58 caliber flintlock.
Elmo

 

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D beatty

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• Jan 9, 2017

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TC uses only Walnut. The have their own Walnut farms that they harvest their lumber.

 

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dr sportster

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• Jan 10, 2017

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It is a beautiful wood.

 

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GordoSD

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• Jan 10, 2017

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Greeen mountain makes a fast twist "Long Range" barrel that drops right in the Hawkwns. I have one in my 54 calrifle. Very accurate out to 200 yards.
I started with a special target model "Hawken" percussion, made in Ohio in 1853 by a black gunmaker named Mosley. My Great Grand father bought it in 1884 in IA before he left there for SD. It was a fantastic rifle I think I used #1 Buck for round balls.

 

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GordoSD

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• Jan 10, 2017

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That cheekpiece is exactly like the one on my hand made 1853 Mosley. That's not a TC stock.

 

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Bret4207

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• Jan 10, 2017

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I never understood why people buy a muzzle loader and then want to shoot sabots with jacketed bullets in it. But then, I don't see any difference between a bait pile or salt lick and a "food plot". I have targets I shot with my 54 cal ML at 100 yards with the whole group under 1 1/2" and 3 of 5 holes touching- shot with a patched round ball and open sights. No sabots, no conicals, no scope or in line ignition. I have a little 36 cal boys rifle that will do the same or better at 50-75 yards if there's no wind. There isn't a darn thing wrong with a round ball, you just have to put more work into it and spend more time pharting around learning what the gun wants. All the modern stuff defeats the whole purpose of ML hunting seasons in the first place IMO.