Tractor Upgrade

I am looking to upgrade my Farmall 460 to something newer and bigger. I think I have the 460 sold, so I will be upgrading soon. I am currently looking at a Case 1070 power shift and a IH 806 diesel. I don't really have any experience with either tractor, so I'm looking for some advice and pros and cons of each. Right now it will be running a haybine and baler (square and round), and probably a discbine in the next year. I farm about 80 acres, all in hay.

806.Hands down. Cant beat that D361.Long life bullet proof old tractors.

I don't have any experience with either but power
shift sounds pretty appealing to me.

You asked... remember that.. either are 30 year old or more.. With the case power shift if it bites the dust it will cost more to fix it than the tractor would ever be worth. With the 361 in the 806 engine parts are getting hard to come by..so either one could end up being a boat anchor, I think I would look for something newer and I know this is an old tractor board but just my experience, this part of the country a 185 massey or a 180 AC could probably be found for about the same money and lots more parts to keep them running. Again it is your money you just asked and you got my thoughts , not that they are what you wanted to hear.

You're not really comparing beans with beans. Case is about 10 yrs. newer and I think 10 hp. bigger. And the 1070 has power shift verses ta. So I would take the 1070 any day.

A Case power shift isnt like a JD powershift. More like the Oliver Over/under.

I agree with " Belgian" below. Of the two..no comparison..1070 is way more tractor. If you can get some history on the tractor/powershift as far as service records etc. They are an "overbuilt" tractor for their HP. Big cubes , no turbo , long stroke low rpm engine, heavy castings and heavy 3 pt. Easy to work on/service air cond. Perfect for what your wanting to do.

Ok they are a lot different than

Thanks for the input so far. I do know they are a little ways apart as far as age and hp, but they are both plenty big enough to do what I need. Here are my thoughts so far. I like power shift, as I have run power shift tractors before, I also like that the Case is a little newer. I like the 806, as all of my tractors are currently IH, and I generally prefer them, and I also feel the 806 would have a little better parts availability, although I may be wrong about that. I should also mention that both tractors are wide front and open station.

Seems funny to me that most if not all of the consumable engine parts (rings, bearings, pistons, sleeves and valve parts) are available right here on YT!

Having operated both the 70 series Case tractors and owning a couple of 06 series IH tractors here is my take. Case engines had a sleeve seal issue. I was correctable with a little machining and many were upgraded at one point or another. Once that was done darn good engines. The power shift while nice on the 70 series wasn't the best design in the world. Now I have been told that parts for the power shift are hard to come by too. YT doesn't seem to list any power shift parts. Local tractor mechanic here who loves Case tractors says those parts are getting hard to find. TA's are available right here on YT.

The biggest drawback to the 06 IH tractors is the TA IMO but given when it was built a guy really can't complain.

Here a 70 series Case will bring about 2/3rds of what an 06 series IH will (not including the 1206, people are paying stupid money for those). Here an 806 will bring somewhere between 8-10K while a 1070 might bring 5500. The guys here who have the 70 series Cases love them but there isn't many of them. The guys with the 806's love them too.

But in the end it's your money. The 70 is a little nicer to operate. Now if you were looking at cab models the cab on the 70's is very nice for the age of the tractor. Way better than most of the cabs found on 06 series tractors.

Rick

Take the case save your self a headache just do not leave tge powershift in reverse and range in neutral. Far better then any IH ever made.
Loren

Find one with a cab, in the long run you will be happier that you did!

Only if it has AC. If not,it's a greenhouse.

I'd be afraid of the TA on an 806. that's a awfully old tractor by now.

OK, I will make everyone mad around here. This is just my experience and others may have had totally different experiences. The three worst tractors I have ever owned were Case. I had a 930 diesel total money pit. Had the motor apart three times. Hated driving it. Dad had a 730 gas and the hydraulics were fantastic but wouldn't pull anything in the field. Son had two newer ones but I don't remember the numbers, I think 90 series. Lived in the shop and cost thousands to keep going. If I remember right, brake particles got in rear end and took out lift cylinders on three point, power shift and PTO. The local junk yard wont even take them to part out. There is nothing left to sell. I hear the 70 series are better but I consider them to be a $3,000 throw away tractor. I like 806s but they are a crude tractor. The shifters are often so worn out that you can't find gears. I was once told by a dealer that the torques are either out or going out. I know this is exaggerating but I pretty much stay away from Internationals for that reason. The non 55 series Olivers are a great low maintenance tractor if you want something lower price. The 1855 and 1955 engines are very poor. I don't know Masseys or Fords but they also make several good tractors. I would buy a John Deere 3020 or 4020 if I were you. I am not a JD junkie but the steering, hydraulics, motor and reliability are well above the others in my opinion. The older ones are getting pretty reasonable now that the soundgaurd ones are becoming more available. I have all brands around here from time to time and I grab the 3020 every time I need to do something. Again, just my experience and others could have totally different opinions.

The 1070 is by far the better tractor as long as the powershift is good, they can be costly to fix. The 451 engines are as good as they get and more fuel effficient than most any others. The pto is both very reliable and easy to fix. As far as the sleeve leaking issue it is no worse than any otjer brand, they have o-rings on the bottom of the sleeves that will start to leak after 30 or 40 years and most times if they are leaking it's time for an overhaul anyway but if not new o-rings will do it.

To check the case start by starting the engine cold, if its in good shape it will start right up at any temp, our 970 would start no problem at -30. When they get more worn out that will get worse and be a tell. Check for excessive blowby too.

For the trany you want it to be up to temp because they will act a bit different when real cold. When you push in the clutch you should hear a mild grunt in the engine and then be able to shift into gear with little or no grinding. When it shifts it should be a firm shift with no slipping and no more pull on the engine than the speed change would cause. Do the shifts while holding the brakes to put some load on the engine as well to check for slipping or excessive engine load. Also check that both thee steering and pto work while shifting and in all the gears as that is a tell for trany problems. When you shift to reverse you need to use the clutch even tho its on the powershift lever and you will hear a squealing, this is normal.

The case powershift does have an anomaly to keep in mind. When doing stationary pto work like on a silage blower or manure pump you must not leave the powershift in reverse as parts of the trany won't get oil and the trany can be ruined. This only applies to stationary pto work aand they work fine for baling and snow blowing ect. Just remember to bump them out of reverse all the time and you won't have any issues.

If you do buy one I suggest changing the trany oil right away if you don't know what is in it and
replace it with real Case Hytran and you should never have any trany issues for what you will be doing. Other brands of oil have been known tomcause problems.

I tend to agree with Delta on the 806. Have not heard anything on engine parts being hard to find for the D361. It is a good reliable motor. Many of them are still in operation today and going strong.

Yes the 1070 is a newer and bigger tractor. Seeing as they are both open station, nothing to compare there. If they had cabs, I would lean toward the Case cab. If you wanted to add a cab later on I think it would be easier on the 806. Many aftermarket cabs will fit.

I don't really know what really makes an 806 crude though. Don't forget these tractors were built in the 60's. As far as the saying a TA is either going out or is out, is hogwash. Even if it is, rebuild for it is a lot cheaper than a powershift and used properly will last a lifetime. Any time you use something it starts to wear out. so this saying could also be said about anything, Doesn't matter what it is.

Keeping the linkages adjusted or replacing worn parts will make them easy enough to shift.

Using hytran and SAE 30 oil and correct filters will keep it running a long time.

Either tractor is quite the upgrade from a 460. Both will do what you want them to do. I don't have an 806, but I do have a 856 which is a little bigger and a little newer. Really like it. I bleed red as you can probably tell, but I do like the Case tractors as well. Wouldn't mind having a nice one with a cab for the round baler.

My vote is for the IH 806 and here's why......

I really don't have a color loyality when it comes to tractors and equipment, I look at them through several lenses relative to my neck of the
woods and my end use needs.

First thing that pops in my mind is internet support like YT and/or RPM. Next is the number of tractors built and other models with common
parts, i.e. 806, 856, etc. Then it's a trade-off between price and overall condition. IMHO - a Case 930 Comfort King in very good condition is
generally a lower price than a 4020 fixer-upper and I could live with a 930.

Having just bought an IH 756 and reading volumes of posts on it and similar 706/806/856 and I think the 826 has some commonality - these are
IMHO some of the best designed, most over built, rugged/reliable/rebuildable tractors IH ever built. Tractor data shows some 42,000 model
806 tractors alone.

So - without seeing either tractor, I'm leaning towards the 806, just based on the above. In fairness though, I've read good stuff on the 1070
Case tractors too and would own one if it were not a fix-it-upper. I just wonder on the 706/806 and 756/856 if there is a limit as to how many
times they can be completely overhauled, given how stout these machines were made. Another positive regarding the 806 is the potential to
repower with a 5.9L Cummins diesel.

Good luck,
Bill

I've run both in the hayfield. Everything else being equal, I would take the Case for that job.

OK, I will make everyone mad around here. This is just my experience and others may have had totally different experiences. The three worst tractors I have ever owned were Case. I had a 930 diesel total money pit. Had the motor apart three times. Hated driving it. Dad had a 730 gas and the hydraulics were fantastic but wouldn't pull anything in the field. Son had two newer ones but I don't remember the numbers, I think 90 series. Lived in the shop and cost thousands to keep going. If I remember right, brake particles got in rear end and took out lift cylinders on three point, power shift and PTO. The local junk yard wont even take them to part out. There is nothing left to sell. I hear the 70 series are better but I consider them to be a $3,000 throw away tractor. I like 806s but they are a crude tractor. The shifters are often so worn out that you can't find gears. I was once told by a dealer that the torques are either out or going out. I know this is exaggerating but I pretty much stay away from Internationals for that reason. The non 55 series Olivers are a great low maintenance tractor if you want something lower price. The 1855 and 1955 engines are very poor. I don't know Masseys or Fords but they also make several good tractors. I would buy a John Deere 3020 or 4020 if I were you. I am not a JD junkie but the steering, hydraulics, motor and reliability are well above the others in my opinion. The older ones are getting pretty reasonable now that the soundgaurd ones are becoming more available. I have all brands around here from time to time and I grab the 3020 every time I need to do something. Again, just my experience and others could have totally different opinions.

Condition is everything on 50-60 year old tractors. I notice good 806's sell for $8000, good 1070s go for $5500. Nuff said.

Sure like to know where I can get a 1070 for $3000 running one with a hole in the block at a consignment auction brought $5500 my height bought grin from ear to ear 806 next to running brought $500 Paul Meyer bought it.
Paid $2300 for my 1070 spun rod bearing paid that much tohave can't find them any cheaper around here
Around here case is king
Loren

Probably the 1070. I had one I bought new but traded it because it happened to be a lemon. The seat was comfortable, it was nimble and easy to run. The inline Bosh pump and the big cubes gave it plenty of power low down in the RPM range for part throttle jobs and it holds its RPM's well at very low engine speeds. The 1070 cab is quieter than others in that time range. The hydraulic levers and other controls are well positioned in the side console beside the seat.

The 806 is a good solid old tractor, hands down. The shifting and throttle are on the dash and steering wheel, the hydraulic levers are slightly harder to reach. I have a better feeling about the longevity of the 806. The TA is a weak spot but so Is the power shift on the 1070.

Drive both of them and see how you like the position of the levers and seat and steering wheel and brake and clutch pedals. That is the deciding factor in my opinion.