(quoted from post at 21:44:51 12/07/16) that a no brainier who likes or needs clean air. i just about for got what it felt like to go in to a city come out with good bunch smog my lungs and burning eye
(quoted from post at 22:29:11 12/07/16) I do remember in the "old days" before emission controls on cars that even following some cars on the road would give you a case of carbon monoxide poisoning. Others could probably fuel another car with the unburned fuel practically dripping out of the tailpipe.
In the beginning, the emission controls were expensive, largely ineffective, and difficult to service. There were those nasty (read RUSTY) little tubes going into the exhaust manifolds, noisy air pumps to feed them, EGR valves that did little more than make the engine hesitate and stumble.
BUT, then came the catalytic converter. You surely did not want to follow one of those for long! Talk about STINK!!!
Now, we have some technology that really improves things. The 3-way catalyst is a big improvement. Not much but fresh air coming out of tailpipes so equipped. Then there is fuel injection, precise mixture control, and electronically controlled timing. Add that to multiple valves per cylinder, roller tappets, overhead cams, and a host of other formerly too exotic features, and you have a tiny engine powering a full sized car and getting decent mileage doing it!
That is about where they should have stopped with the electronics. Back to the key fobs and self driving cars, just not good ideas. Period.
(quoted from post at 21:19:39 12/07/16) Anyone who actually believes that innovation, automotive or otherwise, is the result of the EPA clearly does not understand free enterprise.
(quoted from post at 22:33:05 12/07/16) My biggest surprise is we haven't been hit harder yet with very high cost electricity. For instance to start with, who paid for all the windmills?
(quoted from post at 01:43:30 12/08/16) Greg You can end the USDA tomorrow and the people hurt the worse would NOT be the farmers. I think your actually talking about the FSA office, that is who handles farm subsidies. I am 100% for getting rid of the FSA ( Farm Service Agency). The main goal of the farm programs are to maintain an abundant and economical food supply. That is as summation of the original "law" that created the USDA/FSA offices. Most of it was in reaction to the Great Depression.
Without the government involvement in farming we would be much more profitable on the production end. The government playing with the programs and such are NOT to make the farmers more money. It is to create an abundance of economical/CHEAP food for this country. The percentage of the average family's income required for food has steadily dropped for more than 75 years. So that part of the program is working.
The USDA not so much, in that the inspections of meat and other food processing is one of the "Good" things the government has done.
Most of us do not want to ruin the air, water, or land but we do object when people go over board on it. Much of the current EPA rules and guidelines are politically driven with little regard to the actual scientific evidence. One of the biggest boondoggles is the global warming issue. The "science" being touted as "evidence" of this happening has been gamed so much there is no way to know what is true or not. Then add in the "list" of scientist supposedly supporting being made up of a majority of people with little actual knowledge on the subject.
Just bring some common sense to the EPA and other Departments would be the best thing that could ever happen. The creation of the EPA helped to really limit pollution and created data to actually know what worked and did not work. Now it is too much "Feel good" stuff with little substance to it. That is dangerous. Crippling this country's industry with faulty ideas and science is what many of us are hot about.
ditto, ditto, ditto. Just last week, I tried to use one of my newer CARB compliant cans as it was intended. I usually remove the cap and just use a funnel but I had some time so I thought I'd give it another shot. I followed the directions on the can (plastic container to be precise) and got it "unlocked" after a couple of minutes of fiddling with it. I put it into the tank of my F150 and gas started pouring out all over the place onto the ground from the spout.(quoted from post at 09:54:25 12/08/16) Ultradog is correct. While I am one who says reigning in the EPA can't be done fast enough for me, it is because of the radical extremes they have gone to. Like others said, they achieved a reasonable goal years ago, but more (read this more and bigger government controls) is not always better. At the pace we were on we could not afford to heat/cool our homes, drive vehicles, have tractors, a lawnmower, and I could go on. A shining example is the ridiculous fuel cans without vents of the past several years. They are worthless for the purpose intended (more fuel is spilled on the ground than ever with the old containers). All mine how have a vent thanks to an ebay seller and a step drill. And emissions regulations on a weed eater? Even a lawnmower.....give me a break. It got to the point that it was just because they could, and was all about the control. The extreme regulations of EPA is just one reason for what happened a month ago today, and renewed my faith in this great country. Enough was enough years ago, and I had my "belly full" years ago. We the citizens should control the EPA, not the other way around. Sorry, had to vent some emissions (pun intended).
(quoted from post at 13:21:39 12/08/16) Brown clouds are still out there. went into LA from Barstow one time brown cloud over LA. Told a mechanic that was working on my truck it looked like someone took a dump
on LA, another mechanic asked what I ment. He laughed and said the other mechanic had never been out of LA so didn't know what clean air looked like.
(quoted from post at 16:04:43 12/08/16) I agree that EPA has overreached on some regulations, particularly in agriculture. The most egregious when they attempted to regulate "fugitive dust"! They had no conception of how a farmer could possibly disc a field, combine beans or even drive down his driveway without stirring up some dust. Idiots that come up with ideas like that are what give EPA and all environmental regulations a bad name.
However, what I am concerned about is the drastic roll-back of limits of noxious gasses from coal fired power plants and other industries that have been proven to cause pulmonary ailments and, perhaps cancer. it would be quite ironic if the recently passed legislation called the "Moon shot for Cancer" funded research that found a direct link between coal emissions and cancer, but we can't do anything about it because we stripped regulations and many more coal plants came online.
(quoted from post at 13:21:39 12/08/16) Brown clouds are still out there. went into LA from Barstow one time brown cloud over LA. Told a mechanic that was working on my truck it looked like someone took a dump
on LA, another mechanic asked what I ment. He laughed and said the other mechanic had never been out of LA so didn't know what clean air looked like.
(quoted from post at 00:25:42 12/09/16) JD Seller- I understand what you said. My original post was to make a point about how a lot of people complain about wanting less government but, at the same time, they want the benefits the government provides for "THEM".
Much like here in eastern KY, I know many people that supported and voted for our new president. but....they also are collecting government benefits like SNAP, HEAP, WIC, Disability, and the lists goes on but they will proudly tell you they voted for him, just like they did our Governor. They don't even understand that the person(s) they voted for wants to strip those entitlements away. Just like the Speaker of the House wants to do with[b:89024971ad] Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid (he wants to privatize/block grant those entitlements.[/b:89024971ad]
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