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Gary Reif
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Don't like the key fob in my pocket. Have started the Jeep several times by leaning on something. But I do like the convenience.
DENNIS MIN
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Spudm,
I loathe the size of my Ram truck's fob. It looks like a hand grenade.
It also is real slow, have to hold the buttons for a three count. Been tat way since new.
D.
I loathe the size of my Ram truck's fob. It looks like a hand grenade.
It also is real slow, have to hold the buttons for a three count. Been tat way since new.
D.
glennster
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heres a tip for the key fob guys. read your owners manual on how to change the battery in the fob, and get a couple spare batteries and keep em in your car. we towed in several fob cars that were no starts due to dead fob batteries. really special if you're out in the boondocks and yer fob battery goes dead. some fobs require a tiny screwdriver to release the catch to open the fob.
rustyfarmall
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I don't like the fobs 'cause they don't fit comfortably in my pocket. I also do not like the computer screen with touch control for the heat/AC. I'd much rather have a knob that I could just reach over and turn without taking my eyes off the road.
The push button type starters should be the only ones give you that trouble. But on the ones My wife and Daughter have there is a chip inside if you hold it up against the button (IIRC)the car will still be able to read it and start. The other styled ones still use a key to start and have at least one door with a key slot so you can get in.
Got a car and truck with them. I like them, the remote start is nice for my wife, she can start her car and warm it up before she leaves work. I keep forgetting I have remote start but I like the panic button to find my truck when I lose it in a big parking lot at the fair, at a threshing show, anywhere it's parked for a half day or longer.
I got my first truck with one 2 years ago, can't say it's much of a problem, I never take the keys out of my trucks unless I go into a store, what I dislike more is the automatic locks, on my f150 the doors auto lock when you hit the brakes, I worry it will malfunction or a accidentally lock it when I get out, and locking myself out, I mostly leave the window open enought to get my arm in if I needed to. , I also can't stand the beeping when you leave the key in the ignition when I turn the truck off.
Many auto lock when put into gear ? and or start moving. But you can also have that function option changed. Read your owners manual about it and then be sure to ask your dealer about the settings. Many of the newer cars will not let the doors lock if the key is in the ignition (fully inserted) and the door shuts. Check it out and see if yours does.
MarkB_MI
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- Motown USA
It's not clear what you're complaining about. Remote keyless entry, remote start, keyless ignition or all three?
I've driven late model vehicles that have no keyless features, and it's no fun at all. Particularly if the vehicle doesn't have power door locks as well. Most vehicles these days can only be unlocked from the driver's door if you don't have a remote. That's a real PITA. Suppose you want to put something in the passenger's side of the vehicle. You go to the passenger's side and realize it's locked. So you go around to the driver's side, unlock the door, get it, reach over and unlock the passenger door. THEN you can get back out, go around and finishing loading whatever it was you wanted to put in the passenger side.
Of course, if the driver's side door lock is iced up or otherwise inoperative, you have a minor emergency trying to get in a vehicle with only one keyed lock and no remote.
At a minimum, I want keyless entry on my vehicles. It saves a lot of aggravation.
Keyless remote start is a great feature in northern climes. Not only does it spare you the trouble of going outside to start your vehicle, you don't have to worry about somebody driving it off while it's warming up.
As for keyless "pushbutton" start systems, I've used them and don't really care one way or another. It's nice to not have to keep fumbling in your pocket for a key. If you drive one of these vehicles, the first thing you should do is figure out how to get the emergency key out of the fob and how to use it to enter the car. One day you'll have a dead battery, and you won't be able to figure it out without the owner's manual locked away in the glove box.
I've driven late model vehicles that have no keyless features, and it's no fun at all. Particularly if the vehicle doesn't have power door locks as well. Most vehicles these days can only be unlocked from the driver's door if you don't have a remote. That's a real PITA. Suppose you want to put something in the passenger's side of the vehicle. You go to the passenger's side and realize it's locked. So you go around to the driver's side, unlock the door, get it, reach over and unlock the passenger door. THEN you can get back out, go around and finishing loading whatever it was you wanted to put in the passenger side.
Of course, if the driver's side door lock is iced up or otherwise inoperative, you have a minor emergency trying to get in a vehicle with only one keyed lock and no remote.
At a minimum, I want keyless entry on my vehicles. It saves a lot of aggravation.
Keyless remote start is a great feature in northern climes. Not only does it spare you the trouble of going outside to start your vehicle, you don't have to worry about somebody driving it off while it's warming up.
As for keyless "pushbutton" start systems, I've used them and don't really care one way or another. It's nice to not have to keep fumbling in your pocket for a key. If you drive one of these vehicles, the first thing you should do is figure out how to get the emergency key out of the fob and how to use it to enter the car. One day you'll have a dead battery, and you won't be able to figure it out without the owner's manual locked away in the glove box.
My Ford truck if you unlock the door with the key you have about 5 seconds to start the truck or it starts honking and flashing it's lights. I usually leave the keys in unless I'm at a store. Also deprogrammed the auto lock and the seat belt chime. Owners manual has all the information.
Was at a softball game with the Dodge van once. Walked back down to get another chair out of it. Wife had keys but I knew the window was down. So I reach in and try and pop the trunk open and it didn't go so I then reach in and unlock the door and open it. Well system worked as designed and horn goes off and lights flash it thought it was trying to be stolen ! So I go back up to get the keys a fair ways away and finally get back there and do the trick with it in the ignition to shut it up.
I always thought of the tag that came with some keychains was the fob, as in watch fob.
As to liking or disliking keyless fob entry/pushbutton start. We have a car with it and I kinda like it. Only one real complaint is I can't keep the fob on my daily keychain, don't know how many times I have bent over and something else in my pocket set off the alarm button. Keep the car key on it's own chain with just house, shop and padlock keys only and don't carry it in my work jeans unless I am taking the car somewhere.
Couple of safety features the key has to be IN the cabin which is a bit of a pain since I carry my keys in the left pocket. Thusly I can't just put one cheek on the seat and start the car to warm it up. Also if the only key is inside the car you can't lock the doors.
Never done it but you CAN drive off without the key though. This could be problematic if dropping off the significant other and going elswhere and you forgot to put the key in your pocket when you left home. Dash does give a warning for this though.
jt
As to liking or disliking keyless fob entry/pushbutton start. We have a car with it and I kinda like it. Only one real complaint is I can't keep the fob on my daily keychain, don't know how many times I have bent over and something else in my pocket set off the alarm button. Keep the car key on it's own chain with just house, shop and padlock keys only and don't carry it in my work jeans unless I am taking the car somewhere.
Couple of safety features the key has to be IN the cabin which is a bit of a pain since I carry my keys in the left pocket. Thusly I can't just put one cheek on the seat and start the car to warm it up. Also if the only key is inside the car you can't lock the doors.
Never done it but you CAN drive off without the key though. This could be problematic if dropping off the significant other and going elswhere and you forgot to put the key in your pocket when you left home. Dash does give a warning for this though.
jt
My wife has the switch blade key in key fob thing. I hate it, its way to big.
My truck is just a little key. I keep it on a carabiner on my belt loop. It's easy and I see no reason to change.
My jag is a proximity fob. Just get close and the doors unlock. Get in and press a button to start. It's really easy and pretty nice. Until you don't lock it and it keeps looking for a key and you kill the batter. This has happened to me more than once. But it won't completely kill the battery. It has to have at least 8.4v to activate the system.
My truck is just a little key. I keep it on a carabiner on my belt loop. It's easy and I see no reason to change.
My jag is a proximity fob. Just get close and the doors unlock. Get in and press a button to start. It's really easy and pretty nice. Until you don't lock it and it keeps looking for a key and you kill the batter. This has happened to me more than once. But it won't completely kill the battery. It has to have at least 8.4v to activate the system.
Mike(NEOhio)
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- Newbury, Ohio
I don't like lumpy things in my pants pocket. Grand Cherokee has a fob, not bad if I'm wearing a coat. I do like the sensor on the door handles that unlocks when you grab it. Didn't mind the electronic shifter that was recalled. They fixed it so if the door opens it goes in to park. I got in to move it in the driveway last week and had my left leg hanging out the door just to roll it. It rolled a foot and hit park on the move.
Mark - IN.
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My first and only dealings with one were on a brand new 2008 Harley Ultra Glide, and that system is now disabled unless I make the mistake of putting batteries in either fob and get near it. I never liked the idea, but once locked or shut off, the scooter won't restart unless the fob is within like 10' of it. I had just bought the scooter, a friend came over and I let him take it out for a ride. The fob was within 10' of it, he started it, took it out for a ride and stopped to get a coke or something. When he tried to start it, no go because the fob was with me by the barn miles away. Second time was a week or so later when a sister came over, I took her out for a ride, the scooter started because it was within 10' of the fob. Down the road I came to a stop, took off, not enough gas, stalled it, pulled in the clutch, hit the starter, nothing. I was right out in the middle of the oncoming lane. Luckily no one was coming. It has some sort of six digit code using the right and left turn signal buttons to override it...if you forget to carry the fob. That system is now disabled. I took it back to the dealer, told them to rechip it minus their...burglar system, but they just overrode the system, and so long as I never let a/the live fob near it... ONLY and last ever fob in this life time.
Give me a key or a starter button. Take the fob(s) and...
Mark
Give me a key or a starter button. Take the fob(s) and...
Mark
Rollie NE PA
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I don't like the FOB. My wife has a new Jeep Limited. She has her fob and I have one which I don't carry because I seldom drive her car. One night we went out to dinner and I drove dropping her off at the front of the restaurant. Well, when she went in the restaurant the car would not move because the fob was out of range so there I set blocking traffic while I go chase her down for her fob.
I don't like the stop/start function or the big display screen. I turn it off when driving at night.
I don't like the stop/start function or the big display screen. I turn it off when driving at night.
jimg.allentown
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I simply cannot understand why one would want to replace a simple and reliable item like a car key with thousands of dollars worth of electronics that are prone to failure.
I have read this entire thread up to this point, and given all of the different circumstances that have caused folks problems, I would never want to have a car equipped that way. Keyless ignition has to top the list of plain STUPID ideas.
As for me, I don't need some electronic nanny to lock my doors. If I want them locked, I will lock them myself. I don't need some fragile little child's toy to make my vehicle operative or INoperative. All of these electronic toys will fail over time, and cost a fortune to repair or replace when and if the time comes. And, that assumes that the manufacturer will even still service vehicles so equipped. I have a few stories of my own of catastrophic failures of this electronic nonsense.
Also, keep in mind that if a thief wants to steal your car, they just back a rollback up to it and load it and go. Then they have all the time that they need to reprogram it or just chop it up for parts. There is no level of anti-theft technology that can defeat the thieves 100 per cent.
I have read this entire thread up to this point, and given all of the different circumstances that have caused folks problems, I would never want to have a car equipped that way. Keyless ignition has to top the list of plain STUPID ideas.
As for me, I don't need some electronic nanny to lock my doors. If I want them locked, I will lock them myself. I don't need some fragile little child's toy to make my vehicle operative or INoperative. All of these electronic toys will fail over time, and cost a fortune to repair or replace when and if the time comes. And, that assumes that the manufacturer will even still service vehicles so equipped. I have a few stories of my own of catastrophic failures of this electronic nonsense.
Also, keep in mind that if a thief wants to steal your car, they just back a rollback up to it and load it and go. Then they have all the time that they need to reprogram it or just chop it up for parts. There is no level of anti-theft technology that can defeat the thieves 100 per cent.
fixerupper
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I like the key fob it's quick and easy and I know I have the key with me when the vehicle is locked. I like remote controlled side doors an rear hatch too.
Gene Davis (Ga.)
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My 2009 F-150 locks the doors when it hits 15 mph forward and unlocks when you stop and open the drivers door or hit the unlock button on arm rest of left side door.
Bill in IL
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Yea I never understood why they give you 2 sets of keys and then lock them together on one ring with a cable. I bought a set of dikes on one trip to cut that cable and put the keys on separate rings so the wife had the spare set.
"I simply cannot understand why one would want to replace a simple and reliable item like a car key with thousands of dollars worth of electronics that are prone to failure."
This is why, People love gimicks, tricky stuff, tech stuff. No matter if it costs them more to buy, to maintain, and isn't as good as it used to be, if it is "high tech" they love it. As for cars I would be happy with 1965 technology. Possibly with fuel injection to improve gas mileage.
This is why, People love gimicks, tricky stuff, tech stuff. No matter if it costs them more to buy, to maintain, and isn't as good as it used to be, if it is "high tech" they love it. As for cars I would be happy with 1965 technology. Possibly with fuel injection to improve gas mileage.
rustyfarmall
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I don't think it is the people who are demanding that high-tech stuff. I think it is the insurance companies that are demanding the anti-theft stuff, and the manufacturers who are pushing the electronic doo-dads for increasing profit.
I too would be happy with 1965 technology. An inline 6 and a 3 speed tranny with overdrive can easily achieve 25 mpg on the highway. Fuel injection could potentially raise the mpg to 30.
BarnyardEngineering
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- Rochester, NY
It's been that way for nearly 40 years. Folks had a 1980 Cadillac with the factory security system, power locks, the whole deal. One Saturday evening after we first got it, we get to church and they all jump out of the car, lock the doors and slam them shut before I have a chance to even move. Okay, no big deal, just pop the lock and get out like always with the old cars. Nope. BEEP! BEEP! BEEP! BEEP! and we couldn't make it stop! Had no idea how to shut the security system off. Key in the ignition didn't help. We sat there for 10 straight minutes looking stupid while everybody walked by giving us the stinkeye.
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