Which truck?

Eldon (WA) · Oct 27, 2016

Well I gave up on getting a newer TRACTOR, so started looking at trucks. I had a dealer make an offer on my 04 Dodge dually...put it on CL for 5500 more and the first guy to come and look bought it today. Now I need to replace it...what would you get? I am thinking auto tranny this time. Still need a diesel and 4x4....

marloweg · Oct 27, 2016

me it would be a Dodge good friend is a Ford mechanic and he bought a new Dodge

Frantz · Oct 27, 2016

New or used? I'm a Ford commercial truck sales guy so yep, I'm bias! On used stay clear of the international 6.0 and 6.4 Ford used up through 2010. I won't belittle the competition. It's hard to not get a good truck these days IMO. I think the aluminum Ford bodies are appealing for long term ownership. The Ford 6.7 has been a great motor and it's backed by a strong transmission. Downside? It's probably the most expensive option, while Ram is the cheapest. Frankly all the trucks do more than most people need em too. I was at Ford's training for the new trucks a few months ago and in their cheer-leading they showed all the industries they lead sales in, and it's a pretty impressive list. I found it interesting that agriculture Ford had yet another lead, but of all the 20 some slides, it was the one where their lead was the smallest. Get what you like, I don' think you'll be let down. Ram has the only manual option if you did decide to go that route after all.

Jdr315 · Oct 27, 2016

I work at a city fleet shop. I mainly work on the fire/ems vehicles. Our fleet is made up of mainly ford but we have our share of dodge also. We have one chevy duramax. We have had a lot of issues with dpf and exhaust sensors on the fords. Mainly 2011/12/13. Still have issues on some newer ones but not as bad. Had one 2011 with a lot of no power and dpf issues. That engine eventualy dropped a valve and had to have a new engine. Out of our 6.7 dodge trucks we have had a couple with dpf issues. We have had to do some front wnd work on them but thats about it. The one chevy we have, we have done some minor things but cant think of anything major.

JD Seller · Oct 27, 2016

I would have kept what you had. LOL That would have been newer to me. As for newer: Skip the Ford 6.0 and 6.4 motors. The Ford 6.7 is a good motor but is expensive to repair IF you have problems. Good friend had a turbo crap out a just over 100K. The final bill was over $10K.

When I was looking hard about a year ago I was sticking to 2008 Dodge trucks. They seemed to be the best bang for the buck. You could get a pretty good truck for that $27-30K. This was Dually crew cabs.

My newest truck now is a Ford 2000 F350 crew cab dually with the 7.3 and a automatic. It has a tuner and after market exhaust. It pulls great and I like the ride and cab. The long term maintenance kind of scares me in what it can cost just for injectors and such but all brands are like that too.

Jdr315 · Oct 27, 2016

Forgot to say that our fleet being mainly ford we probably see more issues with them than the we do with the others but i would still never own a ford.

Sean Feeney · Oct 27, 2016

agreed

Eldon (WA) · Oct 27, 2016

(quoted from post at 18:29:04 10/27/16) Forgot to say that our fleet being mainly ford we probably see more issues with them than the we do with the others but i would still never own a ford.

Yes I think Ford is pretty much off my list. I am 60 miles from Dave Smith in Kellogg ID....they are the largest Dodge dealer in the world and largest GM in the northwest and offer dealer invoice, so I will check them out. I have bought 4 vehicles from them over the years. I would really like to find a low mileage used, but they are hard to find. Most people get a diesel and put a ton of miles on them....

Eldon (WA) · Oct 27, 2016

(quoted from post at 18:28:55 10/27/16) I would have kept what you had. LOL That would have been newer to me. As for newer: Skip the Ford 6.0 and 6.4 motors. The Ford 6.7 is a good motor but is expensive to repair IF you have problems. Good friend had a turbo crap out a just over 100K. The final bill was over $10K.

When I was looking hard about a year ago I was sticking to 2008 Dodge trucks. They seemed to be the best bang for the buck. You could get a pretty good truck for that $27-30K. This was Dually crew cabs.

My newest truck now is a Ford 2000 F350 crew cab dually with the 7.3 and a automatic. It has a tuner and after market exhaust. It pulls great and I like the ride and cab. The long term maintenance kind of scares me in what it can cost just for injectors and such but all brands are like that too.

I really didn't want to sell too bad, but I bought this truck new and have stuck less than $1000 in repairs since new. It has treated me well. I thought it would be a good time to sell while it was still worth good $$$$...you never know when they will start nickel and diming you to death.

blue water massey · Oct 27, 2016

I'm a huge fan of Fords preferably their trucks
After seeing my ni?bours new 2016 Ford with the aluminum body I'm leary
His was parked in a light hail storm and now has new fenders, hood roof pillars and roof panel
it had over 5000 dents in those parts would have gotten the box as well but he had a cap over it
When we were looking at the damage just a light push with a finger produced an other dent
His hood looked like a golf ball
Six weeks in the body shop and it looks great again
He's already looking for something else even though they love the truck but now are afraid to take
it out the garage
Ford needs to use a stronger metal in their body panels
If I was buying a new truck today I'ld be looking at Dodge IMO

sotxbill · Oct 27, 2016

(quoted from post at 20:22:41 10/27/16) I work at a city fleet shop. I mainly work on the fire/ems vehicles. Our fleet is made up of mainly ford but we have our share of dodge also. We have one chevy duramax. We have had a lot of issues with dpf and exhaust sensors on the fords. Mainly 2011/12/13. Still have issues on some newer ones but not as bad. Had one 2011 with a lot of no power and dpf issues. That engine eventualy dropped a valve and had to have a new engine. Out of our 6.7 dodge trucks we have had a couple with dpf issues. We have had to do some front wnd work on them but thats about it. The one chevy we have, we have done some minor things but cant think of anything major.

Fords were doing regen for too long, getting too hot at the converter, and burning up the sensors.. recall recalibrated the regen process and now problem is fixed. And ford went ahead and increased the warrantee on the sensors as well. This problem is gone as along as your get the recall done to reflash the computer.

DENNIS MIN · Oct 27, 2016

Frantz,

I own a 2010 Ram diesel stick shift and flat out cannot find a buyer for my truck. It's had the baby treatment, low miles (<35k),
low loads, heated garage, adult driven, no, and I mean no changes from factory. I still am told that my truck is almost worthless
due to the stick.

I don't understand that.

D.

Frantz · Oct 27, 2016

Now that's rubbish. The aluminum is more dent resistant than the steel bodies. I've hit one with a van and have the low repair bill to prove it. Not too mention all the Ford testing that shows the same. Hail is far worse on the thin steel used in the industry.

Eldon (WA) · Oct 27, 2016

(quoted from post at 19:04:29 10/27/16) Frantz,

I own a 2010 Ram diesel stick shift and flat out cannot find a buyer for my truck. It's had the baby treatment, low miles (<35k),
low loads, heated garage, adult driven, no, and I mean no changes from factory. I still am told that my truck is almost worthless
due to the stick.

I don't understand that.

D.

You got caught in the grey area with a dpf and no def. Supposedly DEF trucks have less problems from what I have researched.

David G · Oct 27, 2016

I am on my second super duty with 6.7, no issues with either.

Frantz · Oct 27, 2016

It's sad because I love manual transmissions, but most folks who can afford expensive trucks want an auto. Many folks simply can't drive manuals. Used car industry for dealers is all about quick turn around. You can probably get really good money selling private, but it's a high risk vehicle to a dealer. Age also hurts value much more than miles, so you have a low mile 7 year old truck that many folks can't operate. I'd enjoy owning it myself!

marloweg · Oct 27, 2016

all my Dodges are sticks never lock them because no one can drive a stick anymore

Brian Jasper co. Ia · Oct 27, 2016

$10K for a turbo on a 6.7? Your friend got ripped off about $7500 worth. Flat rate is 5.2 hrs, typical labor around central Iowa is $150/hr. A reman turbo last time I replaced one was about $1800.

Eldon (WA) · Oct 27, 2016

I wonder if other things went when the turbo blew?

Brown Swiss · Oct 27, 2016

I said the phrase of older stuff nickel and diming me to death, and my dad piped up and said ya, but the new stuff
might 10 and 20 dollar you to death! LOL

Bryce Frazier · Oct 27, 2016

You know I'm a Chevy freak, and I know you really liked your Cummins.

Personally, I think the Duramax and the Cummins in the newer trucks are very good engine, just depends on user preference. IF I had a choice, I would own either, but I won't own a Dodge, just because every one I have seen starts falling apart in a few years.

Not because I am biased, but I think the Chevy / GMC have a killer engine, with a near bullet proof Allison trans (Did Dodge ever get trans issues figure out?) and their trucks hold up to stupid people, and the environment. TO ME, I think they are the best choice.

Greg Taylor (owner of our Chevy Dealer) puts like 300,000 miles on his K3500 in 3 years, and then sells it and gets a new one. About the only thing they ever do to them is injectors around 160,000, and a turbo around 250,000. Lots of little stuff, lights and this and that, but nothing mechanical / major. I think that is pretty impressive, and it is always pulling a 3 car trailer doing dealer trades, not just driving.

Eldon (WA) · Oct 27, 2016

(quoted from post at 21:36:31 10/27/16) You know I'm a Chevy freak, and I know you really liked your Cummins.

Personally, I think the Duramax and the Cummins in the newer trucks are very good engine, just depends on user preference. IF I had a choice, I would own either, but I won't own a Dodge, just because every one I have seen starts falling apart in a few years.

Not because I am biased, but I think the Chevy / GMC have a killer engine, with a near bullet proof Allison trans (Did Dodge ever get trans issues figure out?) and their trucks hold up to stupid people, and the environment. TO ME, I think they are the best choice.

Greg Taylor (owner of our Chevy Dealer) puts like 300,000 miles on his K3500 in 3 years, and then sells it and gets a new one. About the only thing they ever do to them is injectors around 160,000, and a turbo around 250,000. Lots of little stuff, lights and this and that, but nothing mechanical / major. I think that is pretty impressive, and it is always pulling a 3 car trailer doing dealer trades, not just driving.

I'm looking at both, I think the Dodge with the Aisin tranny is comparable to the Allison...and then there is the fact that the Cummins is a 6....like the big rigs use. I think the Cummins gets a little better fuel mileage also (hard to pin that one down). I was interested in a 2015 Chevy, but he had already repainted it and replaced the turbo...another 2015 was through two owners already. Makes you wonder. All I have done to the Dodge in 151000 miles is new front U-joints, rear u-joint, waterpump ($49), 4 shocks, brake pads at 132k, 2 batteries and the one injector line. Of course, a lot goes into the way you drive them. I probably towed 12-14k 90% of the time and never replaced the clutch, even with an Edge tuner @ 80k.

Eldon (WA) · Oct 27, 2016

Bryce maybe your dad can get me a deal on a "test" vehicle...2017??

JD Seller · Oct 28, 2016

DENNIS MIN: I can only see your truck being lower in value if it is a two wheel drive. I have looked hard for a stick shift and they sell fast and for a premium here in the Midwest. I think who ever you talked to is trying to rip you off.

JD Seller · Oct 28, 2016

Brian when the turbo blew it took out a bunch of other stuff as it grenaded stuff into the engine. They took the body off to fix his. I do not know exactly why or what they had to do. I know it took them much longer than 5-6 hours.

Traditional Farmer · Oct 28, 2016

I have a 1999 Ford F-550 with the 7.3 diesel and a 6 speed,its been a great truck for me,has about 170,000 miles and almost no real mechanical issues except the original clutch was replaced under warranty with the newer style.Its a 2WD and for on road driving I don't want a 4WD as I have a couple of 4WD trucks to use for short hauls and on the farm.

T in NE · Oct 28, 2016

The boss has an 08 or 09 Cummins, it's
scary. And it's still stock. Almost need a
governor on it. The 11 powerchoke doesn't
seem to have as much go, but they both seem
fairly trouble-free.

I wouldn't get the newer light-duty Isuzu
after seeing the troubles I have seen with
the earlier, lower-powered versions.

rbhuntn · Oct 28, 2016

(quoted from post at 19:04:29 10/27/16) Frantz,

I own a 2010 Ram diesel stick shift and flat out cannot find a buyer for my truck. It's had the baby treatment, low miles (<35k),
low loads, heated garage, adult driven, no, and I mean no changes from factory. I still am told that my truck is almost worthless
due to the stick.

I don't understand that.

D.

Send me an email I might be interested depending on how much you are asking. I have couple of friends looking also and we can all drive a stick.

[email protected]

Matt Thomas · Oct 28, 2016

I have an 08 4x4 Ram MegaCab with the 6.7 Cummins. I would be wary of the 2007.5 through 2009 (6.7 engines prior to DEF) unless you work them hard and often......or are willing to break Federal law and get rid of the emissions stuff and reprogram the computer. The list of things that will give you headaches is long. Had issues with it early on but I figured out how to deal with the issues. Love it now...didn't love it so much right after I got it. 180k on the clock now. Plenty of power and good fuel mileage. The Aisin auto has been flawless. Now watch it crater. If you have a good line on one and want to hear a long story about the issues we can email. Otherwise look for a low mileage 5.9 engine unit or one that uses DEF.

Bryce Frazier · Oct 28, 2016

Ha! Dream on! We are still trying to figure out how to make one of those ZO6 Corvettes disappear!!!

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