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tedregentin

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JD, I read your post referring to conditions in the US today compared to the sixties. I don't know if you are familiar with Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, who was a Russian dissident and author. He spent years in the terrible gulags in Siberia. He was in my opinion, the finest author of the twentieth century. His book called the Gulag Archipelago is a monumental work of literature. It should be required reading in our schools. Anyway, after he was exiled from Russia, he was asked by an interviewer why the terrible things had befallen Russia. His answer was both simple and profound. He said "it is because we have forgotten God." Should we wonder why our country is a shadow of what it used to be?
 
Excellent Hits the nail on the head. Most now days don't believe our founders were Christian and believed in religious freedom. Not free of religion.
 
OUR First Amendment in it's entirety:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Mark
 
I read "Gulag..." many years ago. Took me several days to feel warm after I finished it.
 
Yes the Mason's had seen the old world, where religious wars had killed millions, and religious authorities had absolute power over society. The wanted a new society, where your fate didn't rest on whether you went to church or not. Or which church.
 
David they believed in freedom to practice any religions or none at all. The majority of them where religious. They just did not want a state controlled religion like England and or the church control country like most of the Catholic countries of the time where. They never dreamed that their intent would be so warped like it is today to the point we can't have any display of religion on public grounds.

I have read many of the personal writings of the founders. They NEVER intended for this to be a GODLESS country. They just did not want a state required or sponsored religion.

One of the biggest issues with our type of government is individual freedom also requires individual morality to work. If your amoral the system is easy to work to the detriment of all of us.
 
Precisely. The people that claim the wording is "freedom FROM religion" are quoting a letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to a church. Not what is written in the Bill of Rights.
 
Peaceable assembly doesn't play well on TV. When was the last time that you saw a "peaceable assembly"?
 
JDSellers I am afraid you are wrong, communist Russia aka the soviet union did not allow religious freedoms and in the early years persecuted and killed many religious leaders, they started to ease up toward the end before the USSR fell apart.
 
Actually generations of rule by the Romanov family set the stage for the tyrannical rule of the communist. Russia was a horrible place to live before the communist took over - it seems they made it worse.
 
David, I am a Freemason, currently serving my second term as the master of my lodge, and I have to tell you that you are wrong!

No man can be a Freemason, without professing belief in a higher power, i.e. GOD! All of our meetings are opened and closed with prayer! There is an open Bible on the altar in any regular Masonic lodge, while that lodge is at work. All lodges are erected and dedicated to God!

After a man petitions (asks) to be a member, and before he is voted on, a committee must meet with him to ask why he wants to be a Mason (and also to answer any questions he or his family might have). I have served on those committees many times, and the first question I ask is do you believe in God! Thankfully the answer has always been "yes". Should we ever get a "NO", the interview would be over, and the petition would be rejected!

Anyone who tells you otherwise is either ignorant, or lying!
 
As a Freemason I also served as Master twice (2 different lodges) and agree with the above statements about Masonry Our belief in a Higher Power is tantamount to becoming a Mason. What he didn't say was at the end of the 3rd degree the Newly Raised Master Mason is presented with a King James Version of the Bible and advised that it is a rule book or sometime a road map for life. It is the ultimate guide for Freemasonry Henry
 
" One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich" by Alexander Solzhenitsyn Dad read it to me as a kid . Thanks dad nice depressing book.
 
Every true masonic lodge is a religious institution. In the lodge when open and working is an open bible on the altar. We are not a religion, but are religious, every meeting opens and closes with a prayer.
 
(quoted from post at 08:13:02 10/10/16) " One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich" by Alexander Solzhenitsyn Dad read it to me as a kid . Thanks dad nice depressing book.
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That book was made into a movie, and it has stayed with me since seeing it some 45 years ago.
 
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