Chrysler 225-powered tractors?

cam.man67 · Sep 16, 2016

I've been wondering about this for a while. My daily driver (and occasional farm vehicle when my trucks are occupied) is a '68 Dodge Dart. It's a slant 6 car, runs like a top. I have had practically no issues in the past 5 years, and usually put about 8000 miles a year on it. Here's a pic, if interested:

The reason I bring this up is I know Chrysler built industrial versions of the 225. It didn't differ all that much from the engine in my car, but that motor found its way into forklifts, swathers (Hesston, I think?), and various generators. I feel like it would make a great tractor engine, but I've not found any company who ever built one. I've heard of a few tractor repowers using Slant Sixes, but I've not seen one in person or even any pictures. Does anybody have any experience or information about using this motor in a tractor application?

Bob M · Sep 16, 2016

AFIK no OEM tractor manufacturer ever used the slant six.

We however had late 60's Case combine with a factory-installed slant six - a Case 800 if I recall. It was probably the most reliable and trouble-free engine we had on the farm back then.

My first two vehicles ('62 Dodge Dart and a '66 Plymouth Fury) had slant sixes. Both ran over 200,000 miles - the engines were still going strong when the bodies simply rusted away.

So I agree - the slant six would have probably been a good engine for a tractor in the 60 - 70 HP range.

Case Nutty 1660 · Sep 16, 2016

you are correct Case used the 225 in the 700/900 and 960 combines, the Case 800 combine used the Case 251 four cylinder engine
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Moline_guy · Sep 16, 2016

960 case combines from the late 60's also used the "leaning tower of power" along with a lot of john deere and hesston swathers. My first car, a 76 duster had the 225, while my sisters duster had a smaller
cube like a 179 or something like that. They were a good engine, cracked exhaust manifolds, seemed to be there weakness.

Machnegative · Sep 16, 2016

You are right on them being indestructible. Have an old Yale forklift with the slant six in it. Old enough to have a clutch and 4 speed tranny (2 foreword, 2 reverse). Has been ridden hard and put away wet for years and still runs like a top.

Tech 7 · Sep 16, 2016

One of the toughest engines I have ever encountered. Dad had a number of late 70's Plymouths including the '69 Valiant he maintained was the best car he ever had.
Massey (Mac Don) swathers and Massey 300 combines used the slant 6.

flying H · Sep 16, 2016

I think the neighbors Massy Harris combine used the 225 also. It was a low slung thing. Maybe a 60 or 66 model?

4520BW · Sep 17, 2016

The leaning tower of power!

Bruce from Can. · Sep 17, 2016

While not a tractor , I do have these two slathers
with 225 slant six power plants. MF 655 and JD
2320. Both run just as they should, with only simple
mantaince . I have own two Dodge vehicles with
225 "s , a 66 Valiant , and a 85 pick up. The were
good little cars. Bruce

Tx Jim · Sep 17, 2016

Some JD self propelled windrowers such as the models 800 & 830 utilized the Chrysler 225.

Andy Wickiser · Sep 17, 2016

I know it's not a tractor but still an interesting machine with a
Chrysler 225 slant six industrial engine. Here's my RO Products
Mobile Hammer.

Mike(NEOhio) · Sep 17, 2016

I had a summer job in the metro parks years ago and they had a 2 1/2 ton Dodge dump with a slant 6. Used it to haul asphalt for patching the roads.

Phil in Pa · Sep 17, 2016

I put quite a few hours on one of those years ago. Broderson with a diesel and a cab, but the same machine. The company got rid of it when it became too high maintenance compared to a hydro hammer.

K Effective · Sep 17, 2016

Some of the late Friday Orchard tractors used a Chrysler engine, according to TractorData, it was 217.7 ci

http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/005/1/3/5135-friday-o-48-engine.html

Determined · Sep 17, 2016

Not the kind of tractor you are talking about but lots of manufacturers of aircraft tow tractors used the 225.

1206SWMO · Sep 17, 2016

Massey Harris combines used flat head Chrysler 6 engines ranging in size from 218 to 265 cubic inches..

notjustair · Sep 17, 2016

Our Super 92 Massey had the 265. It was a very good engine. It was a little thirsty in a good crop but barked right along all day. I can remember bringing 5 old metal Skelly oil cans of gas out to the field at dusk to get it enough gas to last through to stopping time. It had that side draft carb on it and it seemed like it flooded easy.

rrlund · Sep 17, 2016

Something with a frame would be your best bet. Farmall F12,Massey Harris,Oliver,something of that nature. Not saying it wouldn't take some machining,but it could be done.

bigbob1939 · Sep 17, 2016

I think the Simpsom tractors made 1947--1952 had the Chrysler engine in it, may not have been a slant six. Bob

cam.man67 · Sep 17, 2016

True! I had forgotten about that...here's a picture I found of one:

1206SWMO · Sep 17, 2016

The 225 slant six was introduced in 1960... All Simpsons,Wards,Jumbos,Customs,Lehr Big Boys,Fridays,OMC's,Norseman-etc of that time period used Chrysler flat head 6 engines...

1206SWMO · Sep 17, 2016

I'd like to find a good 265 engine for my Wards ER tractor..

IA Roy · Sep 17, 2016

A little O.T. What were the differences between a car/pickup 225 and an industrial? I would imagine they used a belt drive governor, maybe a different carburetor, a different cam? I would suppose a lower rpm might need those. Also If in a continuous duty application (tractor/combine etc) they would probably be downrated for horsepower compared to the automotive application. Anyone know what horsepower rating they used in industrial?

Andy Wickiser · Sep 17, 2016

The spec for the Chrysler model HB 225 in my mobile hammer is 98 HP at a governed speed of 2600 RPM. According to the Maintenance and Parts manual for the Slant 6 Industrial Engines there were two types of governors, mechanical and velocity. The mechanical governor is "belt driven from the governor drive pulley on the crankshaft." My mobile hammer has the velocity governor which is a device inserted between the bottom of the carb and the intake manifold and governs based upon the velocity of the air/fuel mixture passing through.

rockyridgefarm · Sep 17, 2016

I have a Hesston 6450 windrower with a chrysler slant 6. That little guy just purrs like a kitten with a saucer of milk. running a 15 foot draper head,

Bob M · Sep 17, 2016

Not positive but I believe industrial engines were cammed differently from car/PU engines so torque peaked at a lower RPM. They likely had different carburetor jetting (or more likely completely different carbs) as well. Depending on the application they also had different (larger) oil pans, larger radiators, different alternators, etc..

Adjustable speed governors were Pierce or Hoof mechanical. They were belt-driven from the fan/water pump pulley. Limiting speed governors were King Seeley(?) velocity type - essentially a 2nd, speed sensitive throttle plate - bolted between the carb and the manifold.

Depending on the application industrial 225's were rated the 70 - 80 HP at 2,000 RPM. By comparison automotive 225's were rated for 145 HP at 4,000 RPM thru the early 70's. This had dropped to 100 - 110 HP by 1972 as smog controls were added.

4wdtom · Sep 17, 2016

The ones for real work had forged crankshafts, the ones for lower powered cars had cast cranks.
They were good engines, would run well over 200,000 miles in a car with reasonable care, and this
was before a lot of engines would do it. Later ones had hydraulic lifters, not so good.

495man · Sep 18, 2016

(quoted from post at 04:21:24 09/17/16) I know it's not a tractor but still an interesting machine with a
Chrysler 225 slant six industrial engine. Here's my RO Products
Mobile Hammer.

Tell me more about your RO? Looks like a 4x4 one ton chassis.

Andy Wickiser · Sep 18, 2016

I don't think it's a truck chassis because the whole chassis can
hydraulically tilt 10 degrees in either direction to level the hammer
on a side slope. The axles are Spicer 70s which were used on trucks,
but with a 6.17 ratio. The machine has a hydraulic creep feature -
can drive the machine with a hydraulic motor from the rear hammer
operator station. The hammer weight is 1075 lb. Not including tools.

495man · Sep 19, 2016

Neat piece of equipment!

Chrysler 225-powered tractors?

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