Just heard

St.Louis news station just announced Bayer is buying Monsanto for $66 billion.

Oh no! Who are the extremist nut jobs going to blame now?!

"I'll never take aspirin again!! I won't give a dime to that evil Bayer! They're trying to kill us by putting all those GMOs in our food!"

Yikes ! They are getting to 'pro' sports numbers ! Think of it this way; 1 million $ means you can spend $1,000.00 a day for 3 years. A Billion dollars means you can spend $1,000.00 a day for 300 YEARS ! Even I am not in that category (sadly). ;^)

The business won't change. Neither will the nutjobs.
Another bunch of highly compensated executives will leave St. Louis.

(quoted from post at 15:54:18 09/14/16) Oh no! Who are the extremist nut jobs going to blame now?!

"I'll never take aspirin again!! I won't give a dime to that evil Bayer! They're trying to kill us by putting all those GMOs in our food!"

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What about the extremist who yell it's safe based on a greedy, profit driven companies word so they can increase their margins because of greed? That in this case are neither researchers or scientist? Just greedy, profit driven people?

I'm not saying they are dangerous. I'm not saying they are safe. I'm in the camp that says "I don't know and time will tell".

Rick

Just liquify some asprin and spray it on all your cropland. NO MORE HEADACHES. HeHe
Loren

Doesn't it frost you when a ceo loser can get fired and his reward is in the millions or even billions of dollars?

Thumbs up!

I'll go with you on that Rick. There are
many things that haven't been around that
long that no one truly knows what the long
term effects will/won't/might be, without
good old time. Even then, IF something did
happen on account of a certain material, it
would probably be pretty hard to prove
anyway??

Look how long the tobacco industry and lead industry held out with "trust us, our product is safe"...

(quoted from post at 20:36:35 09/14/16) Doesn't it frost you when a ceo loser can get fired and his reward is in the millions or even billions of dollars?

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Or even worse when the company loses billions and they pay them a "retention bonus"! Why in blazes would you want to retain someone who is losing you billions?!

GMOs was cleared even the WHO couldnt find anything wrong we are living longer than any time in history

I heard that too. I wonder how much longer before just one or two companies own EVERYTHING !

Genetically modified food has been around for thousands of years. Does anyone actually think black and white cows that give gallons of milk a day occur naturally?

I find some of the comments here very interesting, and upsetting. How can anyone even think that "genetically modified food" has been around for thousands of years???? Cross breeding plants and even animals,
is not genetically modifying anything, they clearly are mixing genes, but they are still "Natural" genes being mixed. What they are doing with the GMO's is no where near natural, they are adding things to
plants that would NEVER happen in nature, Grizzly bears and polar bears are cross breeding naturally. Round up ready plants are not natural occurances. Sorry, clearly we will never all agree on some issues,
but GMO manufacturing will never be Natural.

I suppose they are no worse than the greedy, profit driven, tree huggers that yell it's the most dangerous thing in the world?

Paul

Actually, the RR plants were naturally occurring. Some plants were resistant to that herbicide, the gene that allowed that was determined and has been used with other species of plant. But the original was naturally occurring. Same with the bT resistance, none of these genes are man made, they are just transplanted across species.

IF we could singularize the gene that makes Holsteins black and white (yes there are other colors of Holsteins, just play along), and we probably have, we COULD transplant that into a human embryo and they would have some really interesting built-in tattoos!

(quoted from post at 06:16:17 09/15/16) Genetically modified food has been around for thousands of years. Does anyone actually think black and white cows that give gallons of milk a day occur naturally?

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Huge difference between a GMO and an hybrid. The cow would fall into the hybrid category. Now if you were making the cow a GMO so that your steak tasted like bacon....... :lol: ! But there is a difference.

Rick

(quoted from post at 02:34:50 09/15/16) GMOs was cleared even the WHO couldnt find anything wrong we are living longer than any time in history

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We live longer due to better dietary habits and medical tech, not cause of GMO's. So what's GMO's got to do with that? They told a bunch of people certain chemicals were safe too. Then 30-40 years alter they were linked to cancer. IF and I said IF in a few years cancer rates spike they will have to research the victims dietary habits to determine if GMO's are responsible or if it's something else. Kinda like the "cancer clusters" under high voltage power lines. They had to research building materials from home and workplaces, household chemicals and dietary habit before they could determine that it most likely has something to do with the power lines. With GMO's they will have to hunt down part of the population that is deliberately trying to stay away from GMO's to compare to people who are not IF there is a spike in cancer.

Rick

(quoted from post at 06:16:17 09/15/16) Genetically modified food has been around for thousands of years. Does anyone actually think black and white cows that give gallons of milk a day occur naturally?

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Should add, you can look up the differences between an hybrid and a GMO. If you take 2 of the same species of plant both with their own desirable traits and cross pollinate them you come up with a hybrid. Much the same with animals. With animals you breed several pair then breed the offspring, then the offspring of the offspring until you achieve repeatability.

Rick

(quoted from post at 09:10:45 09/15/16) Actually, the RR plants were naturally occurring. Some plants were resistant to that herbicide, the gene that allowed that was determined and has been used with other species of plant. But the original was naturally occurring. Same with the bT resistance, none of these genes are man made, they are just transplanted across species.

IF we could singularize the gene that makes Holsteins black and white (yes there are other colors of Holsteins, just play along), and we probably have, we COULD transplant that into a human embryo and they would have some really interesting built-in tattoos!

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Nope, Monsanto found a bacteria that was resistant to glyphosate. They took the genes that gave this bacteria resistance, and injected into the germ of corn and soybeans. They did the same with bacillus thuringeinsis, the bacteria that kills chewing worms. This is very recent technology. They aren't "transplanted across species", but across entire kingdoms of species. In keeping with your (poor) example, it'd be like transplanting a gene from a Amoeba into a human.

Some weeds have now developed resistance to Glyphosate, but that's through evolution, not through a scientists gene gun. They work the same way we do - get exposed to a toxin, most of the population dies, but some find a way to reproduce. The offspring from that plant can tolerate the toxin. The offspring breed with offspring until an entire population can resist the toxin. The toxin either is rendered ineffective through resistance, or must get stronger to remain effective.

Whether or not GMOs are safe is still to be known. The Tobacco Industry spent DECADES denying their product was unsafe. They spent Millions in "research" to prove it was safe. They worked with government agencies and politicians to show that their product was safe. Where are we now with the tobacco industry? Same for the Lead Industry. People have known since the times of the Romans that lead was unsafe, but we still dumped it in gasoline for decades just to reduce pinging. After it was proven this was a dumb idea, we continued to dump lead in gasoline for decades... If an industry is making money producing something, they'll move heaven and earth to keep producing that thing.

(quoted from post at 06:16:17 09/15/16) Does anyone actually think black and white cows that give gallons of milk a day occur naturally?

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Brown cows make chocolate milk right?? lol

(quoted from post at 12:54:07 09/15/16) Some weeds have now developed resistance to Glyphosate, but that's through evolution, not through a scientists gene gun.

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Not evolution, neither is me developing a resistance to poison ivy.

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(quoted from post at 12:54:07 09/15/16) Some weeds have now developed resistance to Glyphosate, but that's through evolution, not through a scientists gene gun.

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Not evolution, neither is me developing a resistance to poison ivy.

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Actually you developing a resistance to something like you say is not evolution. But if you develop that resistance and pass that on to your children it is the first small step in evolution as we know it today. Let's say that after 5 or 6 generations they are immune to poison ivy because you started to develop a resistance then that small part of evolution is complete. So with the weeds, if they develop a resistance and go to seed and next year that resistance is stronger to the same chemicals then it too is evolving. If say 4-5 years down the road that weed's offspring is totally immune to the active ingredients then it too has evolved.

Rick

You still don't know the difference between hybridization and genetically modified organism?? Really?
GMO has decidedly NOT been around for more than a couple of decades, let alone thousands of years.